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There are tons of people who were against that war from the US. Those same people are probably included in the people against Russia's war in the Ukraine.
Let's pretend that all the Taliban and wmd and Saddam stuff was not 'accurate' or stretched even.
At least those were "reasons" predicated on violent acts culminating in 9/11.
I have yet to hear a 'reason' from Putin that would justify( even if false or exaggerated) invading Ukraine.
He doesn't like the neo-nazis fighting the pro-russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine? So what,...they ain't in Russia. That is Ukraine's problem. You wanna supply them and proxy help them in the shadows,..go for it. We get it.
But to outright invade and shell the Country for that? sounds weak.
He doesn't wanna see his sister dating some other boy from the other side of the tracks? even weaker.
If you supported the invasion of Iraq (and you used the excuse of Saddam gassing his own people in 1988 for a 2003 invasion) then if you were a Russian today, you would probably believe that Russia is invading Ukraine with good reason. No difference between Americans jusitfying the 2003 Iraq invasion and Russians justifying the 2022 invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
If you supported the invasion of Iraq (and you used the excuse of Saddam gassing his own people in 1988 for a 2003 invasion) then if you were a Russian today, you would probably believe that Russia is invading Ukraine with good reason. No difference between Americans jusitfying the 2003 Iraq invasion and Russians justifying the 2022 invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
2003 was for WMD. We still didn't forget he invaded Kuwait in the 90's. There was a list of things. Gassing local kurds was just one example. Did Ukraine have some alleged WMD aimed at Moscow?
So, from that list, it appears that most of these weapons have not yet been sent. And I wonder, have the 4,000 anti-tank weapons actually been received by Ukraine yet? And if so, has the Russian military attempted to confiscate them?
So far, it seems there has been no Russian reaction to these planned or actual shipments, except to expel diplomats. Putin has so far been humiliated by this war; I have been watching in surprise to see just how weak, disorganized, undisciplined and downright pathetic Russia's military is. As an American, I think we possibly had built-up this image of Russia as a huge, powerful giant, and it was quite overblown, and this was because they had nuclear weapons. And the nuclear weapons aspect cannot be underestimated, but that seems to be where all or most of their power emanates from.
This war has cast a spotlight on Russia and has revealed that Russia is a nation with a relatively small population, with a small economy, and in which the people live in poverty and suffer under autocracy (which they may or may not want--no idea) and deep corruption. And if Russia did not have nuclear weapons, the Russian military could be easily defeated by a combination of NATO forces.
It could be that 'things' are being said, well after the fact, to avoid russian space assets going full 'BOLO' to target a convoy or something.
2003 was for WMD. We still didn't forget he invaded Kuwait in the 90's. There was a list of things. Gassing local kurds was just one example. Did Ukraine have some alleged WMD aimed at Moscow?
No one believed the WMD story, but anyways, Iraq is a sovereign nation, and is allowed to own WMD for their own protection.
Russian losses are announced today on US Daily News. Included in the count is that astonishing number of airplanes; this time it is reported as 99.
Also listed as lost are:
509 tanks
1566 Armored Personnel Carriers
252 Artillery pieces
45 Anti-aircraft systems
123 helicopters
1000 miscellaneous vehicles
6 boats
70 fuel tankers
And one Russian soldier and his Tank surrendered to Ukraine for $10,000
I have no idea - no one does - how accurate these figures are, but given the state of the Russian "army" it might even be close.
Here is the problem - None of this is factual. No where in the video did they attempt to provide proof. The creator had slick images of multiple military vehicle demonstrations and parades. It had one montage of several destroyed APC. And according to unconfirmed sources, someone sold a tank for $10,000. No images of the tank and money being exchanged, no recorded conversations of it, etc...
This is the sad state of "news" these days. It's all here say from unconfirmed sources and sensationalism. We have forgotten what actual news looks like. Look for local sources. Look for actual footage of the event. Look for interviews with people on the ground. If it's some slicked up, ultra-edited video, it's probably full of bull pucky.
Brits training Ukrainians. Nations sending weapons to Ukraine.
Putin is now faced with a situation in which the western world has ignored his warning that there would be "consequences" for "interference." The west has tested his resolve, and so far experienced no reaction, and therefore it continues to increase the level of "interference." It has become too comfortable in this situation.
At this pace, how long until the west begins to believe that Putin will not react at all, and that it will be safe to go ahead and send in the MIGs? At what point will Putin react, and what form will this reaction take?
If the Russian military blows up a shipment of weapons coming from a NATO country, and kills the people who were shipping it over, does this mean that the sending nation is at war with Russia? If the answer is yes, then this will be how we all get drawn into the next world war.
I don't see anyone talking about how to de-escalate things anymore. And despite the ridiculous and embarrassing disposition of the Russian military, things remain just as serious as before, due to the fact that Russia possesses nuclear weapons.
This is a folly that we will all regret.
where are the brits training them? In Ukr? In the UK? If in the Ukr, then foreign state military assets are on ground...In in the UK or even poland, it means back and forth travel is still pretty open...
2003 was for WMD. We still didn't forget he invaded Kuwait in the 90's. There was a list of things. Gassing local kurds was just one example. Did Ukraine have some alleged WMD aimed at Moscow?
WMD? Are you of the understanding that the US invades any country that possesses WMD? Can you name some countries that the US has invaded for having WMDs? The US doesnt invade countries for having them and even if they had any WMDs, any Iraqi WMDs wouldnt pose a threat to America. Nobody actually believes that the US invaded Iraq over WMDs.
Do you have any idea how many innocent people were butchered by the US in the 2003 invasion? How about how many people's property was destroyed and lives ruined?
You are standing up for evil politiicans. Why do you want to take the side of US politicians who make war for nothing but money? Do you think that you are obligated to support the US politicians actions of mass murder because you are an American citizen?
They've been getting equipped and trained by the United States for some time now. Apparently Israel is also providing arms to the Azov faction which I just find to be the peak of irony.
The group is well entrenched, I imagine. Historic battles like Tarawa during WW2 demonstrate that defenders, even while heavily outnumbered, can mount a considerable effort when they have good supplies and positions. Although if Azov is comprising the bulk of the native Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol then it could very well be higher than 900 (not sure where that figure is from).
900 azov members of the battalion is the number azov gave us. even tho it is about double typical 'battalion strength' But if US training and weapons are that good - yay for us...
WMD? Are you of the understanding that the US invades any country that possesses WMD? Can you name some countries that the US has invaded for having WMDs? The US doesnt invade countries for having them and even if they had any WMDs, any Iraqi WMDs wouldnt pose a threat to America. Nobody actually believes that the US invaded Iraq over WMDs.
both of you are missing the point.
And not addressing Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But I guess maybe that is your intent.
Are you For the invasion of Ukraine? and if so Why?
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