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Old 03-30-2022, 02:17 PM
 
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That's why I am less and less convinced that democracy as a form of a government is remotely more superior to autocracy.
I think "democracy" is highly flawed and not a legitimate form of government. However, autocracy is completely flawed and cant possibly ever be a valid form of government (unless we are all divided into nations of one, then autocracy is the correct form of government).

 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:21 PM
 
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Correct, and the US doesn't produce more wheat, because corn and soy is much more profitable. If that changes, US farmers will grow more wheat.
And what about fertilizer? The price for that stuff is skyrocketing because a lot of it comes from Russia.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:21 PM
 
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And this is what it all comes down to. Countries and peoples of the world are having to make a stand on whom they align with and there isn't going to be any do overs. If India wants to tie their fate to Russia, fine. If people like you want to, fine. Just as many aligned with Russia 60 years ago. Aligning with Russia brought such great prosperity to Cuba and Venezuela.



Maybe this will inspire the US to become self-sufficient again and then China can sell their cargo ships full of crap to Russia and India can provide their IT services to Russia.

Hmm..

Tough choice I'd say.

On one hand - corrupt authoritarian Putin's Russia, on another one - corrupt Nationalist state of Ukraine, prompted by NATO against Russia.



Choices, choices...

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Old 03-30-2022, 02:22 PM
 
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I think "democracy" is highly flawed and not a legitimate form of government. However, autocracy is completely flawed and cant possibly ever be a valid form of government (unless we are all divided into nations of one, then autocracy is the correct form of government).

Western democracy is highly flawed, yes, but that is only one of many forms of democracy, which people in the West like to forget. They have hijacked the word democracy as if theirs were the only type.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:27 PM
 
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Western democracy is highly flawed, yes, but that is only one of many forms of democracy, which people in the West like to forget. They have hijacked the word democracy as if theirs were the only type.
As opposed to Putin who made himself president for life and has anyone that speaks up immediately arrested and facing 15 years in prison.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:32 PM
 
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As opposed to Putin who made himself president for life and has anyone that speaks up immediately arrested and facing 15 years in prison.
Still, Russia has the Western type of democracy.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:33 PM
 
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Western democracy is highly flawed, yes, but that is only one of many forms of democracy, which people in the West like to forget. They have hijacked the word democracy as if theirs were the only type.
Is that why just about everyone wants to move to the USA? Because our democracy is so darn flawed? Hahahaha.
Including Brrrabbit. Now why doesn't he just go home to Russia? Or you, for that matter, living somewhere in "eastern europe" which by definition could be anything west of the volga, so you may be in Russia right now.

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As opposed to Putin who made himself president for life and has anyone that speaks up immediately arrested and facing 15 years in prison.
Or get poisoned or sent to labor camps in the frozen eastern tundra. Their freedom of speech squashed, press destroyed with threat of imprisonment for speaking the truth. Navalny poisoned, and the poisonings at the recent Ukraine talks with just water and chocolate. Nobody is going to find that superior to American democracy.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:34 PM
 
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Still, Russia has the Western type of democracy.
Interestingly, Russian propogandists have called for 'Regime change' in the US.


We do that every 4 years. When's Russia gonna change theirs? Oh right, til' about 2036?
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:35 PM
 
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Is that why just about everyone wants to move to the USA? Because our democracy is so darn flawed? Hahahaha.
Including Brrrabbit. Now why doesn't he just go home to Russia? Or you, for that matter, living somewhere in "eastern europe" which by definition could be anything west of the volga, so you may be in Russia right now.



Or get poisoned or sent to labor camps in the frozen eastern tundra. Their freedom of speech squashed, press destroyed with threat of imprisonment for speaking the truth. Navalny poisoned, and the poisonings at the recent Ukraine talks with just water and chocolate. Nobody is going to find that superior to American democracy.

People want to move to the US, Canada, Europe etc. because there are jobs and people earn more. And because everyone there speaks English. People don't emigrate to the US because of democracy. US democracy is a joke.
 
Old 03-30-2022, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Is that why just about everyone wants to move to the USA? Because our democracy is so darn flawed? Hahahaha.
Including Brrrabbit. Now why doesn't he just go home to Russia?
Thinking about it. Although the fact that my children grew up in this country and speak primarily in English, and going there would mean total break up of all the friendships that me and them acquired here... Well, moving around when you're older, is not as easy as when you're 20. But I am thinking about it more and more these days. USA of 2020 is not the same country I came to 30 years ago.
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