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Old 03-20-2022, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Back in the gym...Yo Adrian!
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So the least populated continent's climate is being affected by humans? The earth's climate is cyclical. I don't deny that humans have negatively impacted the environment is some way. But these climate fluctuations are nothing new, but you won't hear that from the scientists who speak out against the scare tactics used by universities receiving government grants to deliver doom and gloom. Just remember, a majority of your electric car batteries and solar panels are produced in China. Follow the money.
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Old 03-20-2022, 12:15 PM
 
Location: A flyover state
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Leonard Nimoy played a scientist call Spock on TV. He was not an actual scientist.
You do realize Nimoy didn't make those claims himself, that they came from climate scientists of the day... right?
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Old 03-20-2022, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Interesting. I am one who believes temps are warming because of humans but I don't think we should panic. Just allow the free market to sort it out.
It’s 70 degrees warmer than normal in eastern Antarctica. Scientists are flabbergasted.

The coldest location on the planet has experienced an episode of warm weather this week unlike any ever observed, with temperatures over the eastern Antarctic ice sheet soaring 50 to 90 degrees above normal. The warmth has smashed records and shocked scientists.

Eastern Antarctica’s Concordia research station, operated by France and Italy and about 350 miles from Vostok, climbed to 10 degrees (minus-12.2 Celsius), its highest temperature on record for any month of the year. Average high temperatures in March are around minus-56 (minus-48.7 Celsius).


At a nearby weather station, the temperature reached 13.6 degrees (minus-10.2 Celsius) about 67 degrees (37 Celsius) above average, according to University of Wisconsin Antarctic researchers Linda Keller and Matt Lazzara.
That's not news, not to mention it's false and misleading.

Here's some more science for the Deniers to deny:

Our pollen-based climatic reconstruction suggests a mean temperature of the warmest month (MTWA) range of 9–14.5 °C during the warmest interval of the last interglacial. The reconstruction from plant macrofossils, representing more local environments, reached MTWA values above 12.5 °C in contrast to today's 2.8 °C.

https://people.ucsc.edu/~acr/migrate...0al%202008.pdf

Just to make sure we're clear on the concept, 12.5°C is 22.5°F warmer than present temperatures.

From applications of both correspondence analysis regression and best modern analogue methodologies, we infer July air temperatures of the last interglacial to have been 4 to 5 °C warmer than present on eastern Baffin Island, which was warmer than any interval within the Holocene.

https://www.researchgate.net/publica..._Arctic_Canada

Again, to make sure we're clear on the concept, 4.0°C - 5.0°C is 7.2°F - 9.0°F.

Please note the sources of those peer-reviewed scientific articles. They are impeccable.

Granted, that's the Arctic Circle and not the Antarctic Circle, but the point is temperatures fluctuate wildly on Earth.

Your government says so:

One of the more recent intriguing findings is the remarkable speed of these changes. Within the incredibly short time span (by geologic standards) of only a few decades or even a few years, global temperatures have fluctuated by as much as 15°F (8°C) or more.

For example, as Earth was emerging out of the last glacial cycle, the warming trend was interrupted 12,800 years ago when temperatures dropped dramatically in only several decades. A mere 1,300 years later, temperatures locally spiked as much as 20°F (11°C) within just several years. Sudden changes like this occurred at least 24 times during the past 100,000 years. In a relative sense, we are in a time of unusually stable temperatures today—how long will it last?

[emphasis mine]

Glad You Asked: Ice Ages ? What are they and what causes them? – Utah Geological Survey


While that is the State of Utah, this is your pseudo-federal government:

Climate shifts up to half as large as the entire difference between ice age and modern conditions occurred over hemispheric or broader regions in mere years to decades.

[emphasis mine]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC34297/


They still can't explain the Mid-Pleistocene Event and the result of that was the length of Glacial Periods jumped from ~40,000 years to 80,000 to 120,000 years and the length of an Inter-Glacial Period went from 12,000-15,000 years to 12,000 to 32,000 years.

It might help our understanding if they could figure out why.
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Old 03-20-2022, 02:05 PM
 
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since 1900....120 years....earth has warmed about 1 degree C

global warming did not cause a 70 degree anomaly.....that's weather

NOAA > AUGUST 12, 2021

"The roughly 2-degree Fahrenheit (1 degrees Celsius) increase in global average surface temperature that has occurred since the pre-industrial era (1880-1900)"

https://www.climate.gov/news-feature...al-temperature
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Old 03-20-2022, 02:25 PM
 
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Minus 72 degrees right now at the South Pole Amundsen Scott base. Which has been seasonably cold to even slightly colder than normal the last couple months. The edge of the South Pole does get short duration weather fluctuations since its at the coast. And I've seen this is the first mention of this happening in months. Now that winter is officially arrived at the South Pole we'll see what happens. I also keep track of the geothermal caused glacier melt in western Antartica.
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Old 03-20-2022, 02:36 PM
 
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Interesting. I am one who believes temps are warming because of humans but I don't think we should panic. Just allow the free market to sort it out.
It’s 70 degrees warmer than normal in eastern Antarctica. Scientists are flabbergasted.

The coldest location on the planet has experienced an episode of warm weather this week unlike any ever observed, with temperatures over the eastern Antarctic ice sheet soaring 50 to 90 degrees above normal. The warmth has smashed records and shocked scientists.

Eastern Antarctica’s Concordia research station, operated by France and Italy and about 350 miles from Vostok, climbed to 10 degrees (minus-12.2 Celsius), its highest temperature on record for any month of the year. Average high temperatures in March are around minus-56 (minus-48.7 Celsius).


At a nearby weather station, the temperature reached 13.6 degrees (minus-10.2 Celsius) about 67 degrees (37 Celsius) above average, according to University of Wisconsin Antarctic researchers Linda Keller and Matt Lazzara.
Summertime is approaching, so all the "global warming" loons come out of hibernation to spout all of their BS.

Not to worry, they start to hibernate in the fall when things get colder.
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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of course you don't.....per capita = population

China's population is ~4 times more than the USA.....China has increased it's CO2 emissions over 10 times the USA

Global warming is a scam for the simple minded.....if global warming was really dangerous....no country would be increasing their emissions..much less have a world organization telling them they can increase their emissions...because of per capita

China has a atmosphere...China has a climate...China has a sea coast....China is not stupid....China does not believe in global warming at all

only someone simple minded would fall for this crap
Yes China has increased their use over the last decade as they became more industrialized, they also use a great more coal. But they have also focused on renewable energy with three times the capacity of the US because of a heavy investment in solar and EV's.

But we still are behind in addressing climate change as you can see. The US population is 330 million, China's population is 1.4 billion, their total use is around 15% higher than the US with a population that is 400% greater. Kind of tough to paint China as a villain with our numbers.


China is 34,075 Twh (T=Tetra)
US is 19,915 Twh
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:52 PM
 
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Yes China has increased their use over the last decade as they became more industrialized, they also use a great more coal. But they have also focused on renewable energy with three times the capacity of the US because of a heavy investment in solar and EV's.

But we still are behind in addressing climate change as you can see. The US population is 330 million, China's population is 1.4 billion, their total use is around 15% higher than the US with a population that is 400% greater. Kind of tough to paint China as a villain with our numbers.


China is 34,075 Twh (T=Tetra)
US is 19,915 Twh
are you shilling for China?

you keep dancing around this fact...all of the increase in CO2....all of the increase in global warming...has come directly or indirectly from China

USA CO2 emissions have not increased....USA emissions are the same as it was 50 years ago

....for the past 50 years....China has been 100% responsible for all of the increase in global warming

obviously....China does not think global warming is a problem for them at all
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Summertime is approaching, so all the "global warming" loons come out of hibernation to spout all of their BS.

Not to worry, they start to hibernate in the fall when things get colder.
Summer is just ended, the discussion is about the Antarctic where the seasons are reversed, not the US.

The larger issue is the warming at the Arctic, for some reason the Antarctic has remained relatively flat on average but with larger swings in gains and losses of sea ice.
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:55 PM
 
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Even if we nuked China the heating will keep ramping up faster and faster.
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