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View Poll Results: Are electric vehicles the future of American personal travel?
Yes 202 44.99%
No 247 55.01%
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:06 PM
 
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1. Your source is outdated and incorrect.

2. My source is recent and accurate.

Americans are in no position to finance $60K depreciating assets as debt rises and salaries lower.


https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/l...much-spend-car

My source is a legit, continuous and decades long Federal Reserve data study that is neither incorrect or outdated. Yours was a news headline and then you follow that tripe with an incongruent bit from nerd wallet........The Weekly World News of economics.


You are way out of your element.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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My EV works great for me and my driving 50 miles a week. Just plug it in for 4 hours once a week and cost $6 a month to drive clive. Can't beat that. Sure as heck not paying $5 a gal pal for prem.
Hmmm.... you are OK paying thousands extra for an EV but you refuse to spend $10 a week on gas?

You need to take an economics class.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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over 4 million NEW cars are sold in the USA annually

what makes you think that average Americans cant afford a new vehicle
Actually, it's more like 14 - 18 million every year.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:18 PM
 
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EVs cost more now because makers have not yet achieved scale efficiencies.
And for as long as they remain subsidized by taxpayers, they'll remain overpriced even when they do achieve scale efficiencies.
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:28 PM
 
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And for as long as they remain subsidized by taxpayers, they'll remain overpriced even when they do achieve scale efficiencies.
They will not be competitive if they cant offer better than their similarly priced ICE competition. Ultimately the success of EVs does hinge on them being more affordable for the mainstream buyer.

I prefer they dont. I own a premium product, who will be impressed if any other clown can own the same car as me?
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Old 04-14-2022, 02:57 PM
 
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They will not be competitive if they cant offer better than their similarly priced ICE competition. Ultimately the success of EVs does hinge on them being more affordable for the mainstream buyer.

I prefer they dont. I own a premium product, who will be impressed if any other clown can own the same car as me?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Are they exclusive because they are expensive, or because most people think they are dumb and wouldn't buy one?

You be the judge.
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Old 04-14-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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And for as long as they remain subsidized by taxpayers, they'll remain overpriced even when they do achieve scale efficiencies.
That's a very good point. The good news is the current round of EV subsidies are dying off. Toyota will run out by summer.
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Old 04-14-2022, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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Hmmm.... you are OK paying thousands extra for an EV but you refuse to spend $10 a week on gas?

You need to take an economics class.
I won't pay that kind of money for an EV, but at least be honest. Many people pay $100 or more a week in fuel.
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Old 04-14-2022, 03:54 PM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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over 4 million NEW cars are sold in the USA annually

what makes you think that average Americans cant afford a new vehicle
330 million Americans-and only 4 million new car sales. MOST Americans can't afford a new vehicle. Especially ones going for $50k or more. Now, many can, more power to them. But-most look at value and cost of ownership, more than virtue signaling. A Tesla Model Y is about the size of a Equinox/Rav-4/CRV, any one of which you can get for less than $30k, and get 300 mile plus range (I believe anyway). A MY starts at $64k. $35,000 buys a whole lot of fuel.

I'm an EV supporter and do think they are the future. But economies of scale need to start to kick in, new sources of materials, or alternate ones need to be developed, and costs need to drop dramatically for MOST Americans to be willing to spend their hard earned dollars on a new one.
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Old 04-14-2022, 04:43 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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330 million Americans-and only 4 million new car sales. MOST Americans can't afford a new vehicle. Especially ones going for $50k or more. Now, many can, more power to them. But-most look at value and cost of ownership, more than virtue signaling. A Tesla Model Y is about the size of a Equinox/Rav-4/CRV, any one of which you can get for less than $30k, and get 300 mile plus range (I believe anyway). A MY starts at $64k. $35,000 buys a whole lot of fuel.

I'm an EV supporter and do think they are the future. But economies of scale need to start to kick in, new sources of materials, or alternate ones need to be developed, and costs need to drop dramatically for MOST Americans to be willing to spend their hard earned dollars on a new one.
I agree with the gist of your comments but again, the Model Y is in another league performance, tech and feature wise compared with the Rav & CRV. I personally wouldn't consider a slow car like the Rav or CRV but did consider the Porsche Macan when I bought the Model Y, the Model Y is quicker than even the Macan in virtually all street driving situations. The Model Y also has a lot more storage capability than the CRV or Rav.

A Hyundai Ionic 5 is similar function as the Rav 4 & CRV and with the federal credit starts about $32K. The Ionic 5 still will be quicker on the street than the Rav or CRV.
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