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"None of that means anything per this conversation"
Sure it does
"EVs will win the day" Just another biased "prediction".
I am NOT saying they will or they won't.
I don't pretend to know what will happen in the future and neither does anybody else.
It is a prediction of sorts but one derived from reading current and developing realities not soothsayer like guesswork. Further, I'm not biased, at least not in the ways you imply.
The evidence comes for all sides. Yes there is governmental pressure and funding that I don't like. However, GM, Volkswagen, Ford, Porsche, Toyota, Tesla etc. and the battery makers are changing footprints right now. They are not talking about doing so they are doing so.
"None of that means anything per this conversation"
Sure it does
"EVs will win the day" Just another biased "prediction".
I am NOT saying they will or they won't.
I don't pretend to know what will happen in the future and neither does anybody else.
You got that right.
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Originally Posted by EDS_
It is a prediction of sorts but one derived from reading current and developing realities not soothsayer like guesswork. Further, I'm not biased, at least not in the ways you imply.
You are like way behind in the technology. Alternative fuels/propulsion systems are likely to dominate and surpass electric.
I agree with the gist of your comments but again, the Model Y is in another league performance, tech and feature wise compared with the Rav & CRV. I personally wouldn't consider a slow car like the Rav or CRV but did consider the Porsche Macan when I bought the Model Y, the Model Y is quicker than even the Macan in virtually all street driving situations. The Model Y also has a lot more storage capability than the CRV or Rav.
A Hyundai Ionic 5 is similar function as the Rav 4 & CRV and with the federal credit starts about $32K. The Ionic 5 still will be quicker on the street than the Rav or CRV.
I looked up the stats of the model Y and it looks to have about the straight line performance capabilities of the base model C7 corvette, EXCEPT for top speed where the C7 is almost 190 mph and the Tesla is 155.
Also, given the fact that it looks very tall and not exactly low and wide like a sports car, I don't think the aero would be very good in terms of high performance road track racing, and I highly doubt that it has a sports car suspension.
Also, these numbers assume full charge...as the charge fades, so does the performance.
Also, the fun of shifting gears and hearing the exhaust is neutered and gone.
The performance is certainly not bad but again, I don't think people are buying Teslas for "performance" as a primary reason.
Is Biden pushing for long hall truckers to go EV? Imagine truckers having to stop every couple hours to sit there for an hour or more to charge their truck. Is he pushing for the airlines to go EV? What about container ships?
It’s going to be comical when cities like Los Angeles require their people to go EV when they already have blackouts. Imagine all these EV’s on the 405 in stop and go rush hour traffic during the summer running their AC. So many cars stuck off the side of the road calling for a charge. I’ll be watching the 6 o’clock news just for the laughs.
Not only that, what about ATV's?
I can throw an extra 20 gallons of gas in the bed of my RZR and drive all day and night. I never recall seeing a charging station in the woods or sand dunes.
We have hundreds of years worth of fossil fuels with witch to make gasoline.
This is the only part of your post I take issue with, because it is completely and utterly false. At current depletion the rates, we have, at most 46-47 years of oil left. And that's not taking into account the likely vastly exaggerated amount of oil reserves. That's also not taking into account the increasing demand in the future.
The rest of your post is on point though. EVs are nothing more than a high-tech fad. There's nothing "green" or "renewable" about them whatsoever. Let's not forget that it takes vast quantities of fossil fuels to make the EVs in the first place.
This is the only part of your post I take issue with, because it is completely and utterly false. At current depletion the rates, we have, at most 46-47 years of oil left. And that's not taking into account the likely vastly exaggerated amount of oil reserves. That's also not taking into account the increasing demand in the future.
The rest of your post is on point though. EVs are nothing more than a high-tech fad. There's nothing "green" or "renewable" about them whatsoever. Let's not forget that it takes vast quantities of fossil fuels to make the EVs in the first place.
Haha. You seriously just made that statement down to a precise, 2 year window?
Please, by all means, show us your source for that.
I see you simply googled this and omitted a major portion: "at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves"
I looked up the stats of the model Y and it looks to have about the straight line performance capabilities of the base model C7 corvette, EXCEPT for top speed where the C7 is almost 190 mph and the Tesla is 155.
Also, given the fact that it looks very tall and not exactly low and wide like a sports car, I don't think the aero would be very good in terms of high performance road track racing, and I highly doubt that it has a sports car suspension.
Also, these numbers assume full charge...as the charge fades, so does the performance.
Also, the fun of shifting gears and hearing the exhaust is neutered and gone.
The performance is certainly not bad but again, I don't think people are buying Teslas for "performance" as a primary reason.
My new 2019 C7 was junk deven. Worst lag i ever saw, A8 auto trans shudder and a bad rear end friend and had to lemon law it at 400 miles. The C6 with the A6 was much better. Plus no 8 to 4 banger crap i had to buy a range for to keep it in 8 banger mode all the time. No wonder i went EV lee.
It is a prediction of sorts but one derived from reading current and developing realities not soothsayer like guesswork. Further, I'm not biased, at least not in the ways you imply.
The evidence comes for all sides. Yes there is governmental pressure and funding that I don't like. However, GM, Volkswagen, Ford, Porsche, Toyota, Tesla etc. and the battery makers are changing footprints right now. They are not talking about doing so they are doing so.
I'll repeat this AGAIN!
I posted this earlier and as usual not a single pro EV poster responded.
" UNSAFE BATTERIES
This is the reason why some underground car parks in Germany don’t allow electric-powered vehicles onto their premises. What you see in this video is an electric car with a shorted cell at a charging station setting off all the rest. It's a chain reaction from the first to the fiery end. Note the time it took to destroy 3 cars, 1.15 minutes.The first car was destroyed in about 38 seconds. The fire cannot be extinguished with water. No fire department will approach a burning battery-powered car because of the toxic gasses produced during the fire. No recycling place will take the car's remains because of the toxic chemicals the batteries contain.
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