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My son lives in an apt. in a big East Coast city his building has charging stations.
Inside or outside?
IMO, there are a LOT of "kinks" to be worked out before EV's cam become mainstream.
If they DON'T work oit the kinks.........
I posted this earlier and as usual not a single pro EV poster responded.
" UNSAFE BATTERIES
This is the reason why some underground car parks in Germany don’t allow electric-powered vehicles onto their premises. What you see in this video is an electric car with a shorted cell at a charging station setting off all the rest. It's a chain reaction from the first to the fiery end. Note the time it took to destroy 3 cars, 1.15 minutes.The first car was destroyed in about 38 seconds. The fire cannot be extinguished with water. No fire department will approach a burning battery-powered car because of the toxic gasses produced during the fire. No recycling place will take the car's remains because of the toxic chemicals the batteries contain.
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We are retired and will eventually go down to one car. Our children are spread all around the country. We would not take long car trips in an electric car, so we will stay with gasoline. I suppose a hybrid is possible.
At any rate, we are in our 70s, and the Rav4 we have has under 20k miles on it, so it’s probably our last car anyway.
IMO, there are a LOT of "kinks" to be worked out before EV's cam become mainstream.
If they DON'T work oit the kinks.........
I posted this earlier and as usual not a single pro EV poster responded.
" UNSAFE BATTERIES
This is the reason why some underground car parks in Germany don’t allow electric-powered vehicles onto their premises. What you see in this video is an electric car with a shorted cell at a charging station setting off all the rest. It's a chain reaction from the first to the fiery end. Note the time it took to destroy 3 cars, 1.15 minutes.The first car was destroyed in about 38 seconds. The fire cannot be extinguished with water. No fire department will approach a burning battery-powered car because of the toxic gasses produced during the fire. No recycling place will take the car's remains because of the toxic chemicals the batteries contain.
There is no question there will be many pain points along the path to more EVs.
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I didn't respond because there isn't much of reason to respond............people are killed in car fires every day. In the broad sense so what? Everyone knows or should know the risks and decide whether driving makes sense.
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At my kid's apt. all parking is very well covered but "outside". It's one of those rather modern style apts. with several floors of parking as the core of the space and apts. along the exterior and above.
There are a few (not sure maybe 3) reserved parking spots with charging stations per parking lot floor.
We are retired and will eventually go down to one car. Our children are spread all around the country. We would not take long car trips in an electric car, so we will stay with gasoline. I suppose a hybrid is possible.
At any rate, we are in our 70s, and the Rav4 we have has under 20k miles on it, so it’s probably our last car anyway.
Sorry to harsh your buzz, but you won't get your laugh. The car's AC takes a miniscule amount of power compared to the drive motors, like about a week's worth. Plus EVs consume no power while stopped, unlike ICE vehicles that sit there sucking gas to run that AC.
The newer quick-cycle auto AC units that run on refrigerant like 1234YF like my Jeep diesel and my wife's Audi gas turbo 4 banger.......run at about a 3-4% mileage penalty in hot climates during city driving, less at highway speeds.
Old school AC used more like 15-18%. And really old school R-12 units even more, I can still remember the AC in my dad's old V-8 4x4 Ford F-250 (1968, 352 Windsor if anyone cares) bogging the motor for a moment when the AC kicked in and you could always feel the AC tugging when it was on........it blew freezing cold air tho.
We are retired and will eventually go down to one car. Our children are spread all around the country. We would not take long car trips in an electric car, so we will stay with gasoline. I suppose a hybrid is possible.
At any rate, we are in our 70s, and the Rav4 we have has under 20k miles on it, so it’s probably our last car anyway.
I just turned 60, and we just retired. I'd seriously like an EV (and as anyone that has seen my posts here knows, I'm as far from a left-wing, virtue-signaler as you can possibly get). I've only had 3 new cars in my life, 2 in my 20s when I didn't have the responsibilities and expenses of a spouse. We're finally getting a new one. EVs do appeal to me-minimal maintenance, far less systems to fail, much lower operating cost. But this will be our primary vehicle, the new, reliable one we'd have for trips (have an older truck for "truck stuff"). I've been watching lots of EV videos on road tripping. It's certainly possible, and frankly, now that we're retired and have time, I'd kind of look at it as an adventure and learning experience. But, financially, I'm not in a financial position where I want to make a bad decision. We're about to see a flood of new EVs, with more range, better functionality, and as economies of scale and competition kicks in, I think we're going to see a rapid drop in price-meaning massive depreciation on current-gen ones. Much like a last-gen cell phone-no one really wants a 2015 Model S with it's more limited range, instead of a '22 model. I'm thankful for the early adopters (including today's buyers) that are helping bring us to this future, much like early computer buyers did. Early adopters of new technology bring us all along, provide the funds for companies to scale production and hit those economies of scale. Tesla is moving very aggressively to reduce the cost of batteries, battery packs and is embracing design for manufacturing at a scale that leaves the rest of the automotive industry far behind. When I can buy a Model Y for $35k, I probably will (really like the Kia EV9 concept, we'll see what the future brings).
So regarding our buying decision, we aren't getting an EV. We wanted more room for hauling our dogs, my wife in particular didn't want the "adventure" of a road trip in an EV and I'm not ready to pay the huge price premium. We seriously considered a Sorento PHEV, but test drove a Telluride at the same time. Wife liked the Telluride better, so that's what we're getting (and it was less than the PHEV). Maybe in 2-3 more years we'll go the EV route, depending on the market, both for new EVs and used cars. Though the way Biden is sinking the stock market, and the way my life's savings is going up in smoke, we may be looking at a '72 Pinto in 2 more years.
I just turned 60, and we just retired. I'd seriously like an EV (and as anyone that has seen my posts here knows, I'm as far from a left-wing, virtue-signaler as you can possibly get). I've only had 3 new cars in my life, 2 in my 20s when I didn't have the responsibilities and expenses of a spouse. We're finally getting a new one. EVs do appeal to me-minimal maintenance, far less systems to fail, much lower operating cost. But this will be our primary vehicle, the new, reliable one we'd have for trips (have an older truck for "truck stuff"). I've been watching lots of EV videos on road tripping. It's certainly possible, and frankly, now that we're retired and have time, I'd kind of look at it as an adventure and learning experience. But, financially, I'm not in a financial position where I want to make a bad decision. We're about to see a flood of new EVs, with more range, better functionality, and as economies of scale and competition kicks in, I think we're going to see a rapid drop in price-meaning massive depreciation on current-gen ones. Much like a last-gen cell phone-no one really wants a 2015 Model S with it's more limited range, instead of a '22 model. I'm thankful for the early adopters (including today's buyers) that are helping bring us to this future, much like early computer buyers did. Early adopters of new technology bring us all along, provide the funds for companies to scale production and hit those economies of scale. Tesla is moving very aggressively to reduce the cost of batteries, battery packs and is embracing design for manufacturing at a scale that leaves the rest of the automotive industry far behind. When I can buy a Model Y for $35k, I probably will (really like the Kia EV9 concept, we'll see what the future brings).
So regarding our buying decision, we aren't getting an EV. We wanted more room for hauling our dogs, my wife in particular didn't want the "adventure" of a road trip in an EV and I'm not ready to pay the huge price premium. We seriously considered a Sorento PHEV, but test drove a Telluride at the same time. Wife liked the Telluride better, so that's what we're getting (and it was less than the PHEV). Maybe in 2-3 more years we'll go the EV route, depending on the market, both for new EVs and used cars. Though the way Biden is sinking the stock market, and the way my life's savings is going up in smoke, we may be looking at a '72 Pinto in 2 more years.
I just did a quick search and it seems like people are paying a decent amount for 2015 Model S's.
It looks like you are planning on hanging onto this car for a long time so depreciation shouldnt be a huge factor for you.
I am not suggesting you get one. I dont think people should get something they arent comfortable with. My mom actually ordered a Model X about 5-6 months ago and then she canceled the order. The X is very expensive and she got nervous that she would have trouble with the new technology. It isnt hard to learn but if someone is nervous about learning it then they probably wont have the commitment to buy into it. I really like the minimalist style and controlling almost everything from my touch screen. But if that gives someone pause, then they shouldnt get it. I want to feel like I am in a future car but people who get comfort in things staying the same; the Tesla isnt for them. But I think there are other EVs that are more traditional, so maybe that would work for them.
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