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View Poll Results: Are electric vehicles the future of American personal travel?
Yes 202 44.99%
No 247 55.01%
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Old 04-17-2022, 06:25 PM
 
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Wrong. It’s China, ironically a country that doesn’t care about climate.

While this may have been true 10 years ago, you may want to use more updated sources.
They are leading in renewable energy investment and have planted the most trees in the world by far since then.


https://emag.directindustry.com/rene...-time-records/
https://www.irena.org/newsroom/press...pacity-in-2020


China barely tops the list now, it's mostly Indian cities now.


https://www.iqair.com/us/world-most-polluted-cities


Every country that goes through industrialization will produce high amounts of pollution. It wasn't that long ago that the US was on top, and before that, the UK.
And on a per capita basis, we pollute twice as much as China does TODAY.


https://www.worldometers.info/co2-em...ns-per-capita/
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Old 04-17-2022, 06:30 PM
 
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Right, because electricity and batteries are some kind of "new tech."


Used to power cars on a mass scale, yes they are.
Fossil fuels are the incumbent. Battery/fuel cell is the next gen.
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Old 04-17-2022, 06:38 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Conclusion
Industrial wind turbines can harm human health if sited too close to residents. Harm can be avoided if IWTs are situated at an appropriate distance from humans. Owing to the lack of adequately protective siting guidelines, people exposed to IWTs can be expected to present to their family physicians in increasing numbers. The documented symptoms are usually stress disorder–type diseases acting via indirect pathways and can represent serious harm to human health. Family physicians are in a position to effectively recognize the ailments and provide an empathetic response. In addition, their contributions to clinical studies are urgently needed to clarify the relationship between IWT exposure and human health and to inform regulations that will protect physical, mental, and social well-being.


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This article has been peer reviewed.
Clicked into and read that report - it may be "peer reviewed" but it is very weak. Basically talks about the "annoyance" caused by the sound. I guess the same could be said of those living close to airports, train tracks, etc. Lots of "ifs" and no clear guidance on distance...lots of supposition. Basically pretty wackadoodle - by all means, if you dont want to live close to something annoying, then don't. Most of these are "sited" away from population centers. In my area, you get paid to have one on your farm acreage - so yes, it's a choice.
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Old 04-17-2022, 06:45 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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Some kind of electric personal vehicles will eventually be the norm but not in the near future.
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Old 04-17-2022, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So long as replacement HV batteries remain priced between $3,000 and $5,000 I see no problems.
That's the price for a used battery, not a new EV battery, which cost $10,000 - $15,000.

EV batteries composition, design, shape and functionality change very quickly between manufacturers, and even between years of that same manufacturer's models. These aren't 12 vdc Die Hard batteries, which all function the exact same now as they did 40 years ago.

When your EV is five or ten years old, the odds are very unlikely that a brand new battery of your exact year, make and model will be sitting on a shelf, waiting to be let go for penny's on the dollar. It's not like there is an incentive for manufacturers to built thousands of extra $10,000 - $15,000 battery packs and stick them up on a shelf, just in case someone who bought John Smith's used car in Rudd, Iowa, needs a new battery ten years from now.
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Old 04-17-2022, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Haha. You seriously just made that statement down to a precise, 2 year window?

Please, by all means, show us your source for that.

I see you simply googled this and omitted a major portion: "at current consumption levels and excluding unproven reserves"

And are you including shale and the other emerging technologies? Perhaps you should consider this too?: https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecle...h=42f36bf75b1f
https://www.peterleeds.com/oil-clock.htm

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/
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Old 04-17-2022, 07:21 PM
 
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That's the ever-present but always wrong, "proved reserves" nonsense.
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Old 04-17-2022, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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That's the price for a used battery, not a new EV battery, which cost $10,000 - $15,000.

EV batteries composition, design, shape and functionality change very quickly between manufacturers, and even between years of that same manufacturer's models. These aren't 12 vdc Die Hard batteries, which all function the exact same now as they did 40 years ago.

When your EV is five or ten years old, the odds are very unlikely that a brand new battery of your exact year, make and model will be sitting on a shelf, waiting to be let go for penny's on the dollar. It's not like there is an incentive for manufacturers to built thousands of extra $10,000 - $15,000 battery packs and stick them up on a shelf, just in case someone who bought John Smith's used car in Rudd, Iowa, needs a new battery ten years from now.
Hows the resale value of these expensive electric cars?
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Old 04-17-2022, 08:43 PM
 
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Kind of like the Pinto right?
I mean for real. And let's not forget batteries are getting better by the quarter.
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Old 04-17-2022, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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That's the price for a used battery, not a new EV battery, which cost $10,000 - $15,000.
As I said. Brand new replacement HV batteries for my hybrid run between $3,000 and $5,000 installed at the dealership.
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