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Old 04-09-2022, 08:12 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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Huh???
Republicans have been loud about their support for school choice and charter schools.
Trump pushed them aggressively, and my state (VA) just got first Republican Governor in decades who is strongly supporting and helping to fund charter schools.

Our new Republican LT gov is black, and she is seriously pushing school choice as a big help for blacks.
Virginia has 1 term governors and there have only been 2 Democrats since the last Republican, so what you really meant is 8 years.


And pushing for School choice that doesnt work means creating a system in which those who cant afford to travel to the Charter school are left behind in an underfunded school.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:20 AM
 
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Virginia has 1 term governors and there have only been 2 Democrats since the last Republican, so what you really meant is 8 years.


And pushing for School choice that doesnt work means creating a system in which those who cant afford to travel to the Charter school are left behind in an underfunded school.
So better to leave EVERYONE who can't afford to move to a prime area in a failing school.

There's no such thing as an "underfunded" school. Money has NEVER been an issue. There's too much money in failing schools. A school that can't even teach high schoolers to read at an 8th grade level or do basic mathematics doesn't deserve to exist.

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Old 04-09-2022, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Joe Biden is undoubtedly racist. He's doing all he can to trap African-American students in failed inner-city schools by restricting charter schools & killing school choice.

Joe is more interested in protecting teacher union jobs, than he is in helping these students escape failed urban schools.

Joe once said he was against school bussing because he didnt want his kids to attend a school that looked like a jungle...or some phrase like that.

Well, he's at it again.

I hope the African-American voters are watching this racist in action, and vote him, & his ilk, out of office on Nov 8th of this year, then again in 2024.

How dare he deny these students the best possible education, just to keep the teacher union campaign $'s flowing to Dems. This Swamp Creature is heartless & corrupt.
This has been going on long before Chairman Xoe ascended to the throne. I'm not defending him, he's an imbecile on a good day and is in way way over his head. But that's the case for the whole administration. Whoever picked his veep and cabinet must have had an Idiots List because they did a good job.

The percentages of inner city school kids "graduating" out of the 12th grade barely able to read or write and without much of a real knowledge foundation, never mind the ability to think critically, has been too large for too long. I'd start with the teacher's unions. This is a massive crime wave against these kids, many of whom become criminals themselves, and it should be addressed. Where's the wonderful ACLU on this matter? Rev Al? Rev JJ? Uh huh. Nowhere, that's where.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:34 AM
 
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Your post doesnt really make sense.

If you believe it genuinely is a money issue, then that shows that you believe some schools are underfunded and you dont care.
There's too much money in failing government schools and not enough money in the private sector.

Money has never been the issue in education, it's always waste.

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If you are simply arguing that some schools are better than others, then fine, but since schools will never be equal and I dont see you also supporting school expansion, you are basically admitting to wanting something on paper you would never support in real life.
Some schools are absolutely better than others and the schools that aren't up to scratch should cease to exist. You know. Free markets.

And we all know that bureaucrats are woefully incompetent at assessing competence.

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I mean, are yall really going to allow 10,000 kids to go to a high school meant to hold 2,000? We have whole threads on black parents going to fail for sending their kids to better school districts from their home addresses.

IN truth, this is something that actually cant work, not just us not believing it wont work.
In truth, a school that has 10k students wanting to enroll with capacity for 2k would, over time, expand its capacity to meet the need. Or some other school will start up and meet that need.

In truth, incinerating endless piles of money on poorly performing inner city schools has never, never does, and will never work. We have plenty of data to show that.

In truth, a parent who refuses to put in a modicum of effort to participate in their child's education is not going put in that effort no matter what options they have. Not everyone can be saved and that's the end of that. If the parents and the students, who are the primary beneficiaries, don't care, why should I?

In truth, the current system has woefully failed us. We dumped more and more and more money into schools for 40 years with nothing to show for it. There's a word for trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

The current system of education is the one that can never, ever, EVER work, not school choice.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:50 AM
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So better to leave EVERYONE who can't afford to move to a prime area in a failing school.
Thats what you argued, not me.



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There's no such thing as an "underfunded" school. Money has NEVER been an issue. There's too much money in failing schools. A school that can't even teach high schoolers to read at an 8th grade level or do basic mathematics doesn't deserve to exist.
There are absolutely underfunded schools. Sometimes the best schools are the underfunded ones because of larger enrollment than expected.

Also, High schools arent responsible for helping students learn to read or basic math, thats a false premise, and shows that you dont seem to understand how our school systems are even set up.

If a student misses a developmental step that badly, 99% of high schools do not offer remedial classes at that level and there is no recourse .

you arent talking about an issue you know anything about, you are a passer-by just commenting.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:55 AM
 
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Thats what you argued, not me.





There are absolutely underfunded schools. Sometimes the best schools are the underfunded ones because of larger enrollment than expected.

Also, High schools arent responsible for helping students learn to read or basic math, thats a false premise, and shows that you dont seem to understand how our school systems are even set up.

If a student misses a developmental step that badly, 99% of high schools do not offer remedial classes at that level and there is no recourse .

you arent talking about an issue you know anything about, you are a passer-by just commenting.
Results speak for themselves. The current system of public education has not worked and costed taxpayers too much money.

Business as usual for Government.
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Old 04-09-2022, 08:59 AM
 
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Its not a choice to keep them there if the parents dont have the money to send them across town to the new school
Most charters are free of cost.


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The problem is...parents don't really get to choose. It's the school that chooses, normally by lottery
Many charter schools don't have a wait list.

Also the point still stands. Republicans stand for choice. For creating more charter schools to give more choice and more opportunities.
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Old 04-09-2022, 09:01 AM
 
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Democrats have to keep black people stupid to keep them voting for Democrats.
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Old 04-09-2022, 09:04 AM
 
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Democrats have to keep black people stupid to keep them voting for Democrats.
Polling shows the majority of blacks and majority of Americans as a whole want school choice. Basically we have white liberals holding black kids in failing schools against their will.
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Old 04-09-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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Sounds like you are talking about republicans.
Joe and Obama voted against school choice and recently Biden is pushing through an edict that Charter Schools will lose their federal funding. He has always been a racist, even voted against segregation. The Teacher's Union is one of the largest supporters of Democrats and he pushes the unions any chance he can.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industri....php?ind=L1300

And the Democrats will do anything the Teacher's unions demand, at the detriment to the children's education.
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