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Here's the thing, guys. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter when life begins. It doesn't matter whether a fetus is a human being or not.
That entire argument is a red herring, a distraction, a subjective and unwinnable argument that could not matter less. It doesn't matter whether we are talking about a fertilized egg, or a fetus, or a baby, or a 5 year old, or a Nobel Peace Price winning pediatric oncologist.
NOBODY has the right to use your body against your will, even to save their life, or the life of another person. That's it. That's the argument.
You cannot be forced to donate blood, or marrow, or organs, even thought thousands die every year on waiting lists. They cannot even harvest your organs after your death without your explicit, written, pre-mortem permission.
Denying women the right to abortion means we have less bodily autonomy than a corpse.
First, we're talking two bodies, at least, not one. That's what a huge percentage of the population believes and their beliefs are just as valid as anyone else's.
So, whose bodily rights override the other? That's the debate Roe doesn't address.
Have that debate in congress.
Define what personhood is, legally.
Decide when it is and is not okay to terminate the future person or the current person.
Pass laws.
Make sure they are constitutional.
Till then, expect collective frustration from both sides.
Come to think of it, pro-choicers should be thankful if Roe gets overturned. Perhaps we can properly figure this all this out for once.
Secondly, vaccines of all sorts, we barely have autonomy with those, if at all. Without looking it up, I'm going to guess the youtuber could care less about that. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
No, it is just that many pro choice people believe that no one should be required to use their bodies in any way that they do not consent to. I'v had the same opinion for years and you can check my posts on the topic.
You copied that post verbatim.
And it's an idiotic post.
I wouldn't try to take credit for it. Good grief.
You are stating that you can't tell the difference between bone marrow and baby.
Let me hold up 2 pictures: Can you identity which is an ultrasound of a baby and which is bone marrow?
WTH are you talking about? Nobody is suggesting using anyone's body against their will. Whoever wrote that moronic tweet is going to pull a muscle from all of those spectacular mental gymnastics.
rofl. indeed.
the sad thing is that anyone thought "wow, that's brilliant!'
First, we're talking two bodies, at least, not one. At least that's what a huge percentage of the population believes and their beliefs are just as valid as anyone else's.
So, whose bodily rights override the other? That's the debate Roe doesn't address.
Have that debate in congress.
Define what personhood is, legally.
Decide when it is and is not okay to terminate the future person or the current person.
Pass laws.
Make sure they are constitutional.
Till then, expect collective frustration from both sides.
Come to think of it, pro-choicers should be thankful if Roe gets overturned. Perhaps we can properly figure this all this out for once.
Secondly, vaccines of all sorts, we barely have autonomy with those, if at all. Without looking it up, I'm going to guess the youtuber could care less about that. If I'm wrong, I apologize.
It wouldn't matter if fetuses were considered persons. Other people can not demand to use your body to keep their own alive without your consent, and consent can be removed at any time. No one can force you to donate organs to keep another person from dying. No one can even force you to give blood to keep another person alive. Even corpses have bodily autonomy over if their organs are donated or not. One corpse can keep a dozen people from dying with organ donations and you have the right to deny the use of your body.
If a fetus is not a person then it has no right to use someone elses body either. Personhood doesn't equal the right to use other persons bodies as you so choose.
Everyone's beliefs should be valid, for themselves, not to impose on others.
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