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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.34%
No 247 51.14%
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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I noted several reports of F-35 problems reported in press. We spent a mountain of money in this project. FWIW. It may be a disinformation too, 'appear weak when you are strong'.
The F-35 project has been a dumpster fire in numerous ways, but they’ve never had those kinds of hull loss issues. And I live adjacent to Eglin AFB, which was the front row seat* for the entire beta test and final debugging of the aircraft.

*Literally. Eglin shares runways with civilian commercial air and I’d be in a landing Delta/American/United flight where you’re look over after wheels down and there would be an F-35 on an adjacent taxiway with the pilot out of the plane and a fire truck hovering nearby out of concern.

But, far more technologically complex aircraft than what Russia has and the growing pains of the project are over at this point.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:36 AM
 
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Russia has proven to be strangely incompetent. I never expected that.

The other great surprise is how well Ukraine has been fighting. The UK has been helping train Ukrainian military every year since the 2014 Crimean debacle, and I guess the USA (and perhaps others) have been training as well.

Ukraine is currently developing it's own military with a high degree of skill, and experienced combat veterans are mentoring the new recruits. Very impressive results.

The defense of the Hostomel airport and the stopping of the kilometers long Kyiv column signaled that Ukraine has turned the corner from where they were less than ten years ago.

Flush with these amazing successes the Ukrainians are all amped up, their morale is high and they believe in the justness of their cause. They bear the continued suffering with alacrity.

These are amazing people.
Russian doctrines since 1990's were influenced by Western interests which considered treason by many at top of generals. They address this problem in 2023. I think they learned a few
things in this war.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:40 AM
 
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Russians pressing on building more air carrier ships saying that is more efficient use of air force.
The US has 20 (11 aircraft carriers and 9 helicopter carriers). Russia has one.

Also, Putin has more than just the US-made F-35 to worry about:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ne/ar-AA15TaUO
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:41 AM
 
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The F-35 project has been a dumpster fire in numerous ways, but they’ve never had those kinds of hull loss issues. And I live adjacent to Eglin AFB, which was the front row seat* for the entire beta test and final debugging of the aircraft.

*Literally. Eglin shares runways with civilian commercial air and I’d be in a landing Delta/American/United flight where you’re look over after wheels down and there would be an F-35 on an adjacent taxiway with the pilot out of the plane and a fire truck hovering nearby out of concern.

But, far more technologically complex aircraft than what Russia has and the growing pains of the project are over at this point.
"Over"? formerly i was a mechanical engineer, so, i do not believe it is over, wait, if real action starts.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:44 AM
 
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The US has 20 (11 aircraft carriers and 9 helicopter carriers). Russia has one.

Also, Putin has more than just the US-made F-35 to worry about:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ne/ar-AA15TaUO
Useless metal scrap, will be taken out in no time.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...s-during-test/
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:48 AM
 
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The F-35 project has been a dumpster fire in numerous ways, but they’ve never had those kinds of hull loss issues. And I live adjacent to Eglin AFB, which was the front row seat* for the entire beta test and final debugging of the aircraft.

*Literally. Eglin shares runways with civilian commercial air and I’d be in a landing Delta/American/United flight where you’re look over after wheels down and there would be an F-35 on an adjacent taxiway with the pilot out of the plane and a fire truck hovering nearby out of concern.

But, far more technologically complex aircraft than what Russia has and the growing pains of the project are over at this point.
1.7 trillion or so taxpayer money later?

And actually they are not over

No federally funded project with humongous cost over-runs like that has any chance of survival, except if it's related to the MIC
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:59 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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General Hodges says the HIMARS, with its 200 pound projectile and 50 miles range, has virtually eliminated any numerical advantage the Russian artillery used to have.


Drones are being downed by 35mm and 40mm radar directed anti-aircraft vehicles, not missiles. Vehicle mounted radar can spot drones from about 10 miles and target them when 2 miles away. Drones are relatively fragile, so any hit destroys them.
Russian air force activity over Ukraine has been neutralized. Aircraft are forced to release their missiles while still over Russia, and lately the most valuable bombers have been moved farther away from Ukraine where they will be safer.


The sanctions aim at weakening Russia’s ability to finance the war and specifically target the political, military and economic elite responsible for the invasion. The restrictive measures do not target Russian society. That is why areas such as food, agriculture, health and pharma are excluded from the imposed restrictive measures.
Russia’s economy will continue to shrink in 2023. Its GDP is forecast to decline by 2.3% year on year in the best-case scenario and by 5.6% in the worst-case scenario. Declining trade and rising inflation will create a much weaker Russia and thus a safer world.
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Old 01-04-2023, 08:59 AM
 
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It's Russia who is taking losses at a 3:1 to 5:1 ratio. Russia is doomed.
And you know this how exactly? Please do not quote that new pravda, or anything similar.
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Old 01-04-2023, 09:15 AM
 
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General Hodges says the HIMARS, with its 200 pound projectile and 50 miles range, has virtually eliminated any numerical advantage the Russian artillery used to have.


Drones are being downed by 35mm and 40mm radar directed anti-aircraft vehicles, not missiles. Vehicle mounted radar can spot drones from about 10 miles and target them when 2 miles away. Drones are relatively fragile, so any hit destroys them.
Russian air force activity over Ukraine has been neutralized. Aircraft are forced to release their missiles while still over Russia, and lately the most valuable bombers have been moved farther away from Ukraine where they will be safer.


The sanctions aim at weakening Russia’s ability to finance the war and specifically target the political, military and economic elite responsible for the invasion. The restrictive measures do not target Russian society. That is why areas such as food, agriculture, health and pharma are excluded from the imposed restrictive measures.
Russia’s economy will continue to shrink in 2023. Its GDP is forecast to decline by 2.3% year on year in the best-case scenario and by 5.6% in the worst-case scenario. Declining trade and rising inflation will create a much weaker Russia and thus a safer world.
Not Russia, Western Europe now is the target.
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Old 01-04-2023, 09:19 AM
 
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General Hodges says the HIMARS, with its 200 pound projectile and 50 miles range, has virtually eliminated any numerical advantage the Russian artillery used to have.


Drones are being downed by 35mm and 40mm radar directed anti-aircraft vehicles, not missiles. Vehicle mounted radar can spot drones from about 10 miles and target them when 2 miles away. Drones are relatively fragile, so any hit destroys them.
Russian air force activity over Ukraine has been neutralized. Aircraft are forced to release their missiles while still over Russia, and lately the most valuable bombers have been moved farther away from Ukraine where they will be safer.


The sanctions aim at weakening Russia’s ability to finance the war and specifically target the political, military and economic elite responsible for the invasion. The restrictive measures do not target Russian society. That is why areas such as food, agriculture, health and pharma are excluded from the imposed restrictive measures.
Russia’s economy will continue to shrink in 2023. Its GDP is forecast to decline by 2.3% year on year in the best-case scenario and by 5.6% in the worst-case scenario. Declining trade and rising inflation will create a much weaker Russia and thus a safer world.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/russia...ay-anger-kyiv/

Interesting, what kind of message?
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