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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 196 39.44%
No 252 50.70%
Unsure 49 9.86%
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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And Russia has been mired down in this war for a year and is clearly not winning. The only thing I see in your point is how humiliating this has been to Russia.
And Ukraine has been mired down in the war for a year too and is clearly not winning. The point is that Russia has more manpower and will ultimately win a war of attrition.
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:16 AM
 
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Got to smile at all these predictions of Russia winning.

Let's just see shall we?
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:16 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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And Ukraine has been mired down in the war for a year too and is clearly not winning. The point is that Russia has more manpower and will ultimately win a war of attrition.
Like the Russians had more manpower in Afghanistan and still lost? Or losing against the Japanese in the Russia-Japanese War? Or the Crimean War against Britain and France?

Throughout history the Russian army almost always outnumber their enemies and their generals engage in tactics that result in heavy losses because the Russians always had more peasant fodder then their opponents.

Sometimes the Russians do well and win wars, like against the Germans in WW2. But sometimes they fight poorly and face defeat, like against the Germans in WW1.

This is one of those times the Russians are fighting very poorly.
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:19 AM
 
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And Ukraine has been mired down in the war for a year too and is clearly not winning. The point is that Russia has more manpower and will ultimately win a war of attrition.
Ukraine has much better morale...strong motivation....and many rich and powerful countries
backing them up ...don't forget that ....

Ukraine has, so far, has been fighting heroically
with little that they have...and soon much better, more powerful, weaponry will be arriving from the West...
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:19 AM
 
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The US lost in both Vietnam and Afghanistan and we had more manpower. Do you think war is like the game of Risk?
This is not Afghanistan. Or Vietnam. This is a slavic orthodox country. The entire eastern portion of Ukraine supports Russia. The puppet side of Ukraine supports the west.

Poland has had over 10 million Ukrainians cross their border since the start of the war.

Poland has 5 million Ukrainians living there. I witnessed it when I was in Poland last year.

That means there maybe 30 million left in the Ukraine. They literally are forcing kids to fight and old men.. something hitler did in the last days.

Im sorry but Ukraine is going to lose this war .... ill come back after it happens. Dont disappear on me.
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Western military strategists are try to get Zelenski to give up on Bakhmut to save on missles, men, and weapons and concentrate their force toward the south for a spring counteroffensive..
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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This is not Afghanistan. Or Vietnam. This is a slavic orthodox country. The entire eastern portion of Ukraine supports Russia. The puppet side of Ukraine supports the west.

Poland has had over 10 million Ukrainians cross their border since the start of the war.

Poland has 5 million Ukrainians living there. I witnessed it when I was in Poland last year.

That means there maybe 30 million left in the Ukraine. They literally are forcing kids to fight and old men.. something hitler did in the last days.

Im sorry but Ukraine is going to lose this war .... ill come back after it happens. Dont disappear on me.
You mean like Kharkiv??? There may have been a time prior to the invasion of Crimea and the Donbas the Russian speaking Ukrainians were pro-Russia....but those sentiments are long gone.
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:51 AM
 
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You mean like Kharkiv??? There may have been a time prior to the invasion of Crimea and the Donbas the Russian speaking Ukrainians were pro-Russia....but those sentiments are long gone.


Look at 2010 election map. This will give you an idea... This was before the United States started to meddle and interfer in the elections there. It is also before Zelensky and other puppet presidents began Banning opposition parties.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_U...ntial_election
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Old 01-25-2023, 10:52 AM
 
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You mean like Kharkiv??? There may have been a time prior to the invasion of Crimea and the Donbas the Russian speaking Ukrainians were pro-Russia....but those sentiments are long gone.
Crimea has been Russian territory since 1780 after they drove the turks out . Its always been Russian.
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Look at 2010 election map. This will give you an idea... This was before the United States started to meddle and interfer in the elections there. It is also before Zelensky and other puppet presidents began Banning opposition parties.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_U...ntial_election
Like I said "There may have been a time prior to the invasion of Crimea and the Donbas the Russian speaking Ukrainians were pro-Russia....but those sentiments are long gone"
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