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Originally Posted by TMSRetired
Zelensky is shutting down the oldest church...says they are a Russian influence and a threat to democracy.
I guess you can do whatever you want as long as you say "it's a threat to democracy".
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OK, so what happened there, in Ukraine, after the puppet government ( handpicked by Nuland) was installed in Kiev, they ( the new government) had immediately to come up with campaign of how to make "Ukraine" look like a historically unrelated to Russia state, that was always "attacked and subjugated by the hostile foreign force" - i.e. Russia - to create this image in the Western media, in order to whip up anti-Russian hysteria in the most effective way.
So in order to achieve the targets of this deceitful campaign, then president Poroshenko started pushing for three main goals, identified as "The Army, The Language, the Faith." ( I am sure the Nazi Germany had their own slogans for the purpose of building their own Nazi state, something as catchy as "Herrenvolk," "Blut und Ehre" - that kind of stuff.)
So Poroshenko took similar steps, while striving to create his Nationalist state.
Now "The Army" was pretty straightforward - Ukraine needed to build its own army to assure its independence from Russia ( before that no one cared - for the last post-Soviet thirty years Russians and Ukrainians didn't even have any particular border to speak of, since the families/relatives were traveling back and forth, visiting each other, and THIS needed to come to a stop.)
Now the OTHER two goals of the new Nationalist state were more tricky to fulfill however.
How do you change the language, where good half of Ukraine is Russian-speaking?
And how do you change the church, that unites Russia and Ukraine as one and the same entity, because it came in place, when they used to be one and the same people?
Well you already know what happened with the language - Russian was simply outlawed and Ukrainian enforced on everyone.
But when it comes to church - here, ( as in case with Ukrainian army,) Poroshenko had to run for help to his overlords in Washington.
So as Washington (with the help of NATO) was building and training Ukrainian army, in the same manner it dispatched
Sam Brownback to Istanbul ( former Constantinople,) to twist the arm of the Archbishop of the Orthodox Church,
Bartholomew, to give Ukraine permission to set up its own church, separate from Moscow Patriarchy.
Still not as good as Ukrainian government would like to have it (I suppose they'd like to stop being the Orthodox all together, that's why they were pushing to switch Christmas lately to 24/25th of January, as the "collective West" celebrates it,) but it's a start.
And that's how that
Kiev-Pechersk Lavra in Kiev, the major historic Orthodox citadel where Russian Christianity ( in Moscow including,) takes its roots, have been told "to get out of there" recently - the monks and other clergy.
So now you know what's going on, with some people here pointing at the "sins of the Orthodox Church."
To which I'd say that no matter what sins of the Catholic Church are, Italians ( and Italy) don't
stop being a Catholic country because of that, as much as they try.
Same story is with Ukrainians.
P.S. Another curious thing I've heard the last fall from religious Russians, is that some elders already made the prediction ( divination(?)) that "after the schismatics will take over the
Kiev-Pechersk Lavra, six months later, the unification of Rus will take place."
That is Russia and Ukraine ( not sure whether it includes Belorussia or not, since it's Orthodox as well.)
So go figure.
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