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Both Germany and Japan had to be utterly defeated, their empires de-colonized, and made into full fledged trading partners with the rest of the world before they were able to grow and become the peaceful economic participants they are today.
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In our history, nations we have completely destroyed have become our best allies. See Japan and Germany. We are definitely doing the right thing with Russia.
Germany and Japan have been occupied since 1945. America wrote their Constitutions and largely demilitarized them. They weren't de-colonized. They were colonized and made completely dependent on the United States, economically and militarily. We would like to do the same to Russia.
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And paid for a lot of it too....ever heard of the Louisiana Purchase?
1) Why did Napoleon sell us Louisiana? 2) How did Napoleon acquire Louisiana?
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1) If we let Russia just take neighbors they wont stop.
2) They've even made it clear Poland is on the menu.
3) What's wrong with doing the right thing here?
1) That is like saying if China takes Taiwan it won't stop.
2) Last I heard, Russia was essentially inviting Poland in to take Western Ukraine(the areas that were taken by Stalin).
3) We're not doing the right thing. The right thing would have been for Victoria Nuland to not use right-sector thugs and Georgian snipers to overthrow a democratically-elected government and start a Civil War. The right thing would have been Ukrainian neutrality. The right thing would have been to use diplomacy to prevent fratricide. But that's not what America wanted. America needs war. Both with Russia and China. One at a time.
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All of this to protect US dollar hegemony. It’s like a kid losing a board game and taking a torch to it rather than lose.
I think this war is existential for the West. America can't simply lose to China like a game of tic-tac-toe.
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The US is occupying a third of Syria, the profitable part with oil and wheat. Biden just opened a new military base there. We're hypocrites that have invaded many countries recently, toppled many governments recently (including Ukraine 2014), and we interfere in foreign elections constantly.
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Is there any irony in someone saying anyone who doesn't repeat the establishment's narrative 100% verbatim is a bot? Russia's government lies. Do you think US and Ukraine lie too?
It's ok when we do it. We're the good guy.
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Well Russian or not, prepare to be disappointed if you are counting on the US getting tired of this war.
America won't get tired of this war, but there are two strategies when it comes to Russia. The first wants regime-change in Russia, to balkanize it and turn it into a Western client-state, use its resources to feed Western industry, and leverage its resources to pressure China. The second wants an alliance with Russia against China, and then to deal with Russia after China is encircled/bankrupt.
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How many people here wants the US to win and Russia to lose? And if you are American, why do you want the US to lose?
America is the most anti-white country in the entire world. I don't want America to lose per se, I just want a revolution, and that won't happen if America wins.
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1) You're saying the US is at war. We're not. I'm trying to keep it that way.
2) These perpetual wars are destroying our country like ancient Rome.
3) I don't want Russia to win, but I'm done with world police and forever wars. We can't afford it.
1) Above all it was the United States who wanted this war. America did everything we could to provoke Russia and to keep the war going.
2) To be fair, the early years of the Roman Empire was when it saw the most wars. After its peak, it stopped expanding and was relatively peaceful for a couple hundred years until it began to collapse.
3) We can't afford to not have forever wars. This country was born an empire and it will die an empire. The best thing that ever happened to America was WWI and WWII. Can we repeat in WWIII?
There was nothing neutral about Putin’s puppet who fled to his handler in fear and was voted out unanimously, including many members of his own Russian sympathetic party.
That person was elected in what international observers declared free and fair elections. When you are unhappy with the result, you wait for the next elections. That's what typically happens in democratic countries.
There was nothing neutral about Putin’s puppet who fled to his handler in fear and was voted out unanimously, including many members of his own Russian sympathetic party.
It’s no use against these trolls. They’re living in a world of subjective “truth” where facts don’t matter and only their idiotic straw man arguments. F Putin, F every military leader who was involved in the invasion of Ukraine and F everyone who defends Russia’s disgusting war. This is Russia’s war, they own this war. The blood of their people and the Ukrainian people is on their hands. This is not a “Western military industrial complex prolonging the war”. These contrarian psychos are literally defending a war that’s killed thousands of people. They’re falling for Russian propaganda because they’re so captivated by the idea that the United States is bad that any country that doesn’t like the US must be good even when they’re commuting war crimes on a massive scale and trying to do some kind of neo-colonialist expansionism. There’s no defending this, and if you support Russia and are reading this I hope you take a good look at yourself and realize this isn’t some make believe story on the other side of the world. There’s a human reality to all of this and it’s 100% Rusiia’s fault and you’re defending these war criminals like it doesn’t matter.
Without the direct NATO’s intervention this war can go on for years.........
Russia will not be able to fund it for that long.
The big question is, "How long can they continue to fund their war"?...
But in the end, even that won't matter much. Russia's economy will be destroyed by sanctions, which will go on for years after hostilities end.
Economic destruction can no longer be avoided. Even if Russia withdrew tomorrow, Russian leaders would be subject to endless prosecution which means they will be arrested if found outside the country. It will not end in their lifetime.
Sort of like if Germany had quit fighting before Berlin was reached; it would have changed almost nothing. Russia cannot win and cannot quit.
Without the direct NATO’s intervention this war can go on for years.
Is it OK? Does that suit everyone?
Russians are dying. This is the best money America ever spent.
We're going to fight to the last Ukrainian, then to the last Pole, then to the last German, etc. America doesn't care if Europe is bankrupt and destroyed as long as we win.
These European morons will be paying us back for the next hundred years, just like WWI/WWII.
Ukrainian forces conducted counteroffensive operations in at least two sectors of the front on June 20. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces continued offensive operations on the administrative border between Zaporizhia and Donetsk oblasts and in western Zaporizhia oblast. The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed that units of the Eastern Grouping of Forces repelled four Ukrainian assaults near Orikhiv, Zaporizhia Oblast, and in western Donetsk Oblast. Ukrainian Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Malyar reported on June 19 that Russian forces have committed significant forces to stop Ukrainian offensives, making Ukrainian advances difficult. Malyar added that ongoing Ukrainian operations have several tasks that are not solely focused on liberating territory and that Ukrainian forces have yet to start the main phase of counteroffensive operations.
Russians are dying. This is the best money America ever spent.
We're going to fight to the last Ukrainian, then to the last Pole, then to the last German, etc. America doesn't care if Europe is bankrupt and destroyed as long as we win.
These European morons will be paying us back for the next hundred years, just like WWI/WWII.
Lindsay Graham should be banned from international travel after that statement. Never trust a politician that gets excited about war. Eisenhower knew best:
“If men can develop weapons that are so terrifying as to make the thought of global war include almost a sentence for suicide, you would think that man's intelligence and his comprehension... would include also his ability to find a peaceful solution.”
After 2014 and American involvement no one is "free" to do anything.
That "free" train is long gone.
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