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Old 07-18-2022, 06:17 AM
 
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Interesting that Russian contracts are denominated in USD, so the pay fluctuates with the “official” exchange rate.


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Old 07-18-2022, 07:48 AM
 
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The Interior Ministry of the Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) announced that Seversk had been taken under control by the forces of the republic. This was announced on airChannel One Assistant to the Minister of Internal Affairs of the LPRVitaly Kiselev.
“Seversk is under our control,” Kiselev said.
July 15 Kiselevreportedthat units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were retreating from Seversk and fleeing to settlements near Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
According to him, the Ukrainian military stops in Zakotny, Kirov, Zvanovka and Kuzminovka.
Formerly Headquarters of the Territorial Defense of the DPRspoke about taking control of 253 settlements on the territory of the republic.
“As of July 17, 2022, on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, a group of troops of the DPR and LPR with fire supportRF Armed Forces liberated 253 settlements, including Novaya Kamenka and Stryapovka," the headquarters said and added that the allied forces were continuing their offensive towards Soledar.

“High-precision air-launched missiles in the village of Konstantinovka of the Donetsk People’s Republic hit a temporary deployment point for mercenaries of the so-called Ukrainian Foreign Legion. Up to 250 foreign fighters, seven armored vehicles, as well as 12 special vehicles were destroyed," the statement said.telegram.

The Swiss authorities refused to accept the wounded from Ukraine for treatment

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The Swiss authorities have refused NATO's request for treatment of wounded military and civilians from Ukraine. The authorities explained their decision by the position of neutrality.
According to one of the Geneva and Hague conventions, neutral countries must provide a guarantee that, after recovery, the military will not take part in further hostilities. Switzerland cannot guarantee this, and this may violate the status of a neutral state.
“To prevent their return to the war, Switzerland would even have to interne the soldiers. It would be possible to deviate from this rule only if Russia allowed the Ukrainian soldiers to return. This is unlikely, the Foreign Ministry considered, ”the newspaper reports.Tages-Anzeiger.
NATO's request for treatment of the wounded from Ukraine arrived in Switzerland in May. The cantons expressed their readiness to help the victims, and the Coordinating Medical Service of the Swiss Army, the Foreign Ministry and the Federal Department of Public Health began to analyze the request. A review of a possible violation of the conventions was made by the country's Foreign Ministry.
Switzerland also refused to treat the affected civilians, as "it is almost impossible to distinguish civilians from soldiers." “Currently, many civilians in Ukraine are also taking up arms,” Deputy Foreign Minister Johannes Matiassy was quoted as saying by the newspaper. Despite this, the Swiss authorities will provide humanitarian assistance to Ukraine, helping the country's civilian hospitals.

Named three conditions for the termination of US assistance to Ukraine

The Economist: Washington will stop helping Kiev in case of internal instability in the US
Washington will stop helpingKiev in confrontation with Russia in the event of internal instability in the United States. About itwrites The Economist.
According to the authors of the article, after the approval in May of an additional budget of $ 40 billion, dissatisfaction is brewing in the circles of democratic politicians with the huge spending on supporting Kyiv. The Economist names three possible conditions for the US administration's refusal to finance Ukraine's defense capability.
The first is the victory in the midterm elections of young representativesRepublican Party. “If they (Republicans — approx. “Lenta.ru”) make up a large proportion of Republicans in the House of Representatives, where spending bills are considered, and especially if they maintain a balance of power, providing more assistance to Ukraine will become more difficult,” the authors note.
The second condition is the complexity of communication with ordinary citizens. It is becoming more and more difficult for the American administration to explain to Americans who are facing financial difficulties the need to spend budgetary funds on a country "half the world."
“Among Democrats, 78 percent agree on more expensive fuel and 72 percent are willing to tolerate more inflation to help Ukraine; among Republicans, only 44 and 39 percent, respectively, will go for it, ”the publication emphasizes.
The third reason that could deprive Ukraine of assistance is the prospect of a protracted conflict, whichUS presidential administrationJoe Biden for "unclear" reasons. His administration has stopped talking about helping Ukraine 'win' and instead talks about preventing its defeat.


LPR officer Marochko announced the work of "black transplantologists" in the ranks of Ukrainian militants

MOSCOW, July 18 - RIA Novosti. Lieutenant Colonel of the People's Militia of the LPR Andrei Marochko said that "black transplantologists", including those from Western countries, are operating among Ukrainian militants in the territory of Donbass.
"Information on biolaboratories inLuhansk region took place five years ago... They not only dealt with pathogens, there were also so-called "black transplantologists" who, by the way, are now also operating in their controlled territory inDNR. They moved, took their equipment out ofSeverodonetsk, as soon as they had the opportunity, let's say, to withdraw all the material ... ", Marochko said on airChannel One.
According to him, on the territory of the armed conflict there are "wounded servicemen of the armed formationsUkraine with healthy organs, these are also local residents who have pro-Russian views and disappear somewhere. "

MOSCOW, June 6 - RIA Novosti. InBulgaria revealed a scheme to sell the organs of Ukrainian migrants to wealthy foreigners. This is not the first time that citizens of the country have found themselves at the center of scandals with black transplantation, writes the online editionStrana.ua.
It turned out that in the former state hospital Lozenets in Bulgaria, over two years, they performed about a dozen and a half kidney transplants from living donors. This was stated by the head of the local Ministry of Health Stoicho Katsarov.
In all cases, the donors were young Ukrainians and Moldovans, and the recipients were citizensIsrael,Oman andJapan. To legitimize the operation, the clinic recorded them as relatives.
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Old 07-18-2022, 07:50 AM
 
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[quote=Ken_N;63818367]Interesting that Russian contracts are denominated in USD, so the pay fluctuates with the “official” exchange rate.


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Nothing special or unusual.
Every country that cosigned Breton-Woods system is doing that. Local currencies are fluff for the naive.
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Old 07-18-2022, 07:54 AM
 
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No, you are incorrect.

Ukraine lacks the means to eject Russia from Luhansk - it couldn't even stop Russia from taking it.

Ukraine will not be able to take Crimea.

And you did not answer my other questions. If Russia's military is so incompetent, why does Ukraine so very desperately require western aid? Why did Zelensky have go to on TV to essentially beg for help? Why can't Ukraine on its own easily rout this so-called incompetent Russian military from its soil?

Your "LOL" only reflects the shallowness of your understanding of the situation.



All you need to do is to circle back to WW2 and read up on Wunderwaffe. When country realized that, war is lost, hopes shifted to some magical weapon that will crush the enemy in one or two strikes.
This is naive belief as, ultimately, any war is won by the lowest soldier in the battlefield, not by some fancy weapons. Accomplishing this by a country, that is around 70 or so percent Russian is rather steep task.


Also, West is clearly trying to drive that war until the last Ukrainian. Why that territory is needed to be deprived of its endemic population is different question. Someone real high up in the Elite has its sights on it.
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:28 AM
 
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The Russian army remains one of the most ill equipped, unmotivated armies ever seen. Most of their soldiers just want to go home. None of them call Ukraine home.
Russia will be destroyed in the end, and the world will be better off.
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Well it's 2022 and ground wars are outdated, with this one being one of the most useless wars in recent memory, so it would be hard to blame them.
That's actually a pretty good point.
What in God's name does a modern country think they are doing invading another country with massive artillery and huge numbers of tanks? That's almost WW1 stuff. If NATO actually responded, the war would be over, like, yesterday.


As it is, NATO and its allies and sympathizers have responded economically, and Russia is finding itself overwhelmed. The only thing that will save Russia from abject poverty is the fact that they have some oil and gas along with some other natural resources. They will always be able to sell those and keep the lights on.

And that's fine. Just keep the fighters, bombers, and warships inoperable and at home.
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Old 07-18-2022, 08:43 AM
 
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LOL! Yes, this is hilarious. Where are you getting that Russia thought they could take Ukraine in a couple of days? ...
Russia went in with such a bumbling force of incompetent idiots that clearly the leadership was not expecting a serious fight. They were going for regime change, not war, and they must have seriously thought all they had to do was roll in and the government would fall.

Clearly, the leadership in Russia was completely mislead.
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:18 AM
 
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LOL! Yes, this is hilarious. Where are you getting that Russia thought they could take Ukraine in a couple of days? That is absurd since no military on Earth could have done that. It is simply not possible due to Ukraine's physical size, military size, and the fortifications that had been constructed there over 8 years (!) surrounding the Donbas. Again, not possible to take Ukraine in a couple of days.

And certainly not with about 200,000 troops. That's what the Russians allocated. A small percentage of the total force that they could have mustered. The Ukrainian forces outnumbered the Russian force! And yet the Russians took an area the size of Great Britain from Ukraine. That alone is an embarrassment to Ukraine. They were pushed back (in fortified areas!) by a smaller force! If that is not embarrassing to Ukraine, then I don't know what is.

How is that having your but* handed to you by a "small" country? Have the Russians been pushed out of Ukraine? No. Actually, the Russians are advancing, not retreating. It is Ukraine that has to make up excuses of why it is retreating and losing ground.

Yes, the Russians have taken losses, but so have the Ukrainians. And far more than the Russians. Far more.

And now it looks like there may be Russian collaborators in Ukraine's government. Zelensky just took them out: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/17/europ...ntl/index.html
What an embarrassment!

I suggest that you educate yourself on what is really happening.
Instead of food and supplies the Russian units packed their parade uniforms in the Kyiv campaign...i.e. they thought they were going to be greeted as liberators...trust me on this...this is something Americans are all too familiar with. They thought they would quickly decapitate the Govt and waltz in...didn't happen..and they got their hats handed to them.

The Ukrainians smartly pulled back in southern Ukraine to more defensive lines where they could inflict more damage on the Russian forces which they have done. Russia doesn't have the infantry to make any large maneuvers for a major offensive and the gains they are making you need to use a microscope when viewing Ukraine as a whole. The Russians really suck. No One will view the Russian military the same way again. This was not supposed to be a conventional war in the first place.
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:25 AM
 
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One simple question.

If Russia's military is so incompetent, why does Ukraine so very desperately require western aid? ...
Ukraine has about 44 million people, Russia has about 145 million. What does that tell you?

Even if competency were equal, the size of the Russia is several times the size of Ukraine.

Russia had the lion's share of the land mass of the Soviet Union, so the lion's share of the natural resources (well out of proportion to the population) and the lion's share of the Soviet military assets were stored there at the time the Soviet Union broke up.

By any measure Russia should have been able to crush Ukraine months ago, if they had the bare minimum of competency.

The Soviet Union had relied heavily on artillery, Russia inherited most of the artillery pieces and ammunition which the old Soviet military had stockpiled. We can see that the current fight has devolved into Russia battering it's enemy with artillery, nothing else works very well. It is the one thing they are really pretty good at. As the Russian barrels burn out they can just call more out of mothballs, no need to make new guns.

Ukraine can not respond in a like manner, the 152mm barrels are burning out and they are running out of the 152mm rounds, Ukraine doesn't have a similar stockpile of old guns and it makes no sense to build new guns of the old caliber, they need to obtain guns in a caliber they can readily acquire.

That's why they need the NATO standard 155mm rounds and the weapons to fire them.

It's pretty clear that if the Ukrainians could match the Russians in artillery the Russians would have a hard time accomplishing anything.
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Old 07-18-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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Read that Putin changed out war commanders again.

I believe this is the fourth one since Feb 24.
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Old 07-18-2022, 10:04 AM
 
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The U.S. could have eventually beat Japan. It would have cost a lot of American lives and, from what I can tell, Truman was just done with it.

Whatever Putin believes deep down, and who cares really, the idea that folks will just get over what Russia is doing now because Japan got over Hiroshima is odd. For this analogy to work, it should have been about Pearl Harbor.

But that's neither here nor there.

Russia is building a reputation as a nation of ruthless war criminals with few allies.
Russia really doesn't care what the world thinks about it. Never has, probably never will. Its borders have always been bloody. I don't see why the analogy would be about Pearl Harbor where, for the most part, the U.S. was not the aggressor. Hiroshima was proven necessary by the ferocity of Japanese resistance on Iwo and Okinawa. Also, I have read, in various books, that Truman was warned that U.S. access to further credit for the war was questionable, so the choice was either negotiate/surrender or use the nuclear weapon. I believe he chose wisely.
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