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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.50%
No 245 50.94%
Unsure 46 9.56%
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Old 08-31-2022, 11:56 AM
 
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IIRC, when Ukraine left Russia, much of Russia's nuclear arsonal was in Ukraine. The disarmament contingent wanted them destroyed. They made a deal to protect Ukraine should an attack occur in exchange for them destroying the weapons.

And here we are.
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Old 08-31-2022, 11:59 AM
 
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If the sanctions are actually meaningless because the Russians will just trade with China, Indonesia, etc., so be it.

Time will tell.
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Old 08-31-2022, 12:05 PM
 
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Russian soldier fears the Russian government may turn Russia into another North Korea - either that or use nuclear weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8MYy_BAHFo
I don't trust Russians including this guy. He could be a defector or he could be pretending to be a defector. Putin and his army of online bots have selling the nuclear attack BS all along. This guy came along and regurgitated the same Putin nuclear bluff. But he is a "defector", so we should listen to him. Yeah, right.

I saw another video in which he tore up his Russian passport and his army paper and flush them down the toilet for the camera. It's all for show.
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Old 08-31-2022, 12:20 PM
 
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This is going to require a major infrastructure upgrade.

Thinking of all the pipelines required to deliver natural gas to Europe. Two replace that volume of usage a new equivalent system, just as long (possibly longer) and through more inhospitable terrain would be required to feed into China. Putin would probably die a natural death before the system could be completed.
Yes.
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Old 08-31-2022, 12:44 PM
 
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IIRC, when Ukraine left Russia, much of Russia's nuclear arsonal was in Ukraine. The disarmament contingent wanted them destroyed. They made a deal to protect Ukraine should an attack occur in exchange for them destroying the weapons.

And here we are.
So who is "winning" and who is "losing"?
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Old 08-31-2022, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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So who is "winning" and who is "losing"?

I'll answer.

Winning: Putin

Losing: Everyone else
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Old 08-31-2022, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Indiana Uplands
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I'll answer.

Winning: Putin

Losing: Everyone else
Wrong, Russia is losing big time as they face huge disastrous economic conditions and shortages of various staple goods.
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Old 08-31-2022, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Wrong, Russia is losing big time as they face huge disastrous economic conditions and shortages of various staple goods.
Actually, that sounds more like us.

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Old 08-31-2022, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I would like to point out just 16 HIMARS provided by the US has stopped the entire Russian offense in this tracks. But please go on about how Russia is winning this war.
Haven't you read the Russians and allies posting about all the Quaker missiles they blew up.
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Old 08-31-2022, 01:01 PM
 
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Wrong, Russia is losing big time as they face huge disastrous economic conditions and shortages of various staple goods.
The only thing that Russia has lost is man power, 15,000 - 20,000 military deaths, a staggering amount of loss, but remember this is a country that lost 15 million+ during WW2, they're never going to give up on Ukraine.

Aside from that, the Ruble is the strongest it's been in 4-5 years. They have plenty of buyers of their energy priced in rubles, meanwhile Europe is still in the same position that they were before the war, dependent on outsiders for energy needs. Their economy is on the brink from high energy costs.
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