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Old 04-25-2024, 03:44 AM
 
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Yet another report of China being accused, by Biden, of helping Russia.

So why are the Zelensky bots still claiming China is not helping Russia?
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President Biden accused Russian President Vladimir Putin’s allies of providing significant support to Russia, including drones from Iran, ballistic missiles and artillery shells from North Korea, and defense components and expertise from China.
https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-b...-13763450.html

China, Iran, and North Korea are all supporting Russia. Russia isn't alone in this war. Every $60 billion that goes to Ukraine, is another $60 billion that goes to Russia from their own allies.
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Old 04-25-2024, 07:30 AM
 
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You are welcome. The war should be won by the end of summer if not before. And the victor won't be Ukraine.

Despite Putin's "go slow" one hand tied behind the back strategy, Ukraine is nevertheless being destroyed. The most serious problem for Ukraine that I see is the destruction of the young and middle aged male population (which now includes women too who are fighting at the front). Infrastructure can be rebuilt but not people. At least not quickly.

Ukraine is likely going to be a rump state with no access to the Black Sea. Ukrainians who had escaped Zelensky's draft to other countries around the world are unlikely to return to this impoverished and diminished country. Poland may also use this opportunity to grab parts of Northwest Ukraine that it considers its own with the view that it had been "stolen" from them decades ago. Putin would likely not care about that since that would be less territory for him to manage that doesn't contain many Russians anyway.

Any way you look at it, it is going to be a mess in Ukraine and it is unlikely in its future diminished state, that it will ever recover but be a severely underpopulated buffer state for Russia with permanently stationed Russian troops.
The idea that Poland would use this situation to “reclaim” land is just another Russian propaganda talking point.

https://twitter.com/United24media/st...85384380358983

Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski rebuffs Kremlin's claims that Poland plans to annex parts of Ukraine.

"Russian leaders and propagandists are trying to drive a wedge between us and Ukrainians. This plan will not work."
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Old 04-25-2024, 07:40 AM
 
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There is no US troops in the Ukraine.
Oh, pppppppplease.... Every HIMARS, Challenger, and Patriot has "advisors" and "technical support" from regular US military. You simply have Hollywood understanding of what "troops" are - marching thousands and rolling tanks. US NEVER denied presence of "advisors" and "technical personal".
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Old 04-25-2024, 07:44 AM
 
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Back to war in Ukraine.
5Km yesterday progress of RuAF on Avdiivka direction. Ocheretino, Novo Bakhmutka, Novomikhailovka, Krasnogorovka, Novokalinovka, Keramik, Berdychi... It's all moving forward and rather fast. Been a long time, since eithewr side managed to do a 5km a day jump.
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Old 04-25-2024, 07:48 AM
 
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Yet another report of China being accused, by Biden, of helping Russia.

So why are the Zelensky bots still claiming China is not helping Russia?

https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-b...-13763450.html

China, Iran, and North Korea are all supporting Russia. Russia isn't alone in this war. Every $60 billion that goes to Ukraine, is another $60 billion that goes to Russia from their own allies.
This post is hodge podge of various pieces not quite logically connected.
1. Biden talks to ghosts. Consider the source
2. Who said, Russia is banned from developing allied relationships with other countries or, it's only Massa Uncle Sam that is permitted to do so?
3. the last sentence does not make any sense at all.
Can we do better? I miss Johnboy84. At least, he had coherent propaganda.
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Old 04-25-2024, 08:35 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yet another report of China being accused, by Biden, of helping Russia.

So why are the Zelensky bots still claiming China is not helping Russia?

https://www.firstpost.com/world/us-b...-13763450.html

China, Iran, and North Korea are all supporting Russia. Russia isn't alone in this war. Every $60 billion that goes to Ukraine, is another $60 billion that goes to Russia from their own allies.
I think most of us Z-Bots know full well China is supporting Russia. But how?
They aren't sending any sort of major weapons, and for that matter, are not giving Russia anything - they are selling what they can to Russia.
Selling it. You ignore that point because it does not fit with your belief that China, et al, are HELPING RUSSIA (GASP). You even ignore the point that China is buying Russian oil at a discount and put that point, too in your "they are helping Russia" notebook.


China is rightly afraid to provide meaningful war materiel to Russia. To do so would mean trade would be cut off from USA, Canada, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, France, UK, Ireland, Belgium, Netherlands, Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Czech Republic, Croatia, Portugal, Greece, Italy, Spain, Israel, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Japan and some others.
China will not risk that. So they send helmets and buy oil.
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Old 04-25-2024, 08:38 AM
 
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The idea that Poland would use this situation to “reclaim” land is just another Russian propaganda talking point.

https://twitter.com/United24media/st...85384380358983

Polish Foreign Minister Radosław Sikorski rebuffs Kremlin's claims that Poland plans to annex parts of Ukraine.

"Russian leaders and propagandists are trying to drive a wedge between us and Ukrainians. This plan will not work."
Of course Sikorski would deny that Poland would try to use this situation to acquire their land back whether they really mean to or not. The temptation is certainly there and passions run high. The upcoming upheaval of Ukraine's territory being torn apart will create many opportunities, both good and bad. Blaming Russia for this point is not looking at the whole picture.
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Old 04-25-2024, 08:49 AM
 
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Of course Sikorski would deny that Poland would try to use this situation to acquire their land back whether they really mean to or not. The temptation is certainly there and passions run high. The upcoming upheaval of Ukraine's territory being torn apart will create many opportunities, both good and bad. Blaming Russia for this point is not looking at the whole picture.
I guess Poland giving Ukraine $9 billion USD in military aid, and 16 billion euros in humanitarian aid is part of their secret master plan?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/polands-t...111427588.html
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Old 04-25-2024, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Durham NC
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There is no US troops in the Ukraine.
Did you mean to say there are no US troops in Ukraine.
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Old 04-25-2024, 10:10 AM
 
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...that The West wants to destroy Russia even at the expense of bankrupting themselves.
The victim complex is strong in this one.

Russia can stuff what's left of their army back in their pants and that would be it. They could go work on something constructive - indoor plumbing for the remaining 20% or something. No one has done a better job of destroying Russia than their own government. Reinvigorating NATO, throwing away their best market for oil & gas, losing control of the Black Sea - all thanks to their own unforced errors.

Would be nice if we didn't have to spend all that money on things that go boom, but it was Russia's great idea to start moving borders by way of armored invasion again.
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