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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 192 39.26%
No 250 51.12%
Unsure 47 9.61%
Voters: 489. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-24-2024, 08:41 AM
 
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Let's try to get past the Putin didn't react in 2014 already. That's in the past and can't be changed. What this recent vote in the US for more for Ukraine has shown the Russian people is that the US has no desire for any negotiations and that The West wants to destroy Russia even at the expense of bankrupting themselves.
If Russia leaves Ukraine how would that destroy Russia?
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Old 04-24-2024, 08:43 AM
 
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Update on my earlier post about warnews247.gr:

This site now has an article that says that the US and Great Britain are in the process of moving a MASSIVE amount of war materiel the likes that have never been seen before in this conflict to Germany and Poland. This materiel is for the gathering NATO troops that are slated to go to Ukraine and fight Russia. 90,000 so far and counting. Stay tuned.
From what I have read the material was prepositioned in Germany and Poland a few weeks ago, for quick delivery to Ukraine assuming the bill would be passed.

https://www.voanews.com/a/officials-...-/7582248.html

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A senior White House official said President Joe Biden ordered the Department of Defense to deliver military equipment to Poland and Germany "a few weeks ago" in anticipation of passage of a supplemental aid bill to ensure immediate delivery once he signs the bill into law.

Pentagon spokesman Major General Pat Ryder said the U.S. would be able to deliver the anticipated aid "within days." He added the package will likely include air defense and artillery capabilities.
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Old 04-24-2024, 09:08 AM
 
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You ask very good questions. Yes, Ukraine is going to lose and nothing can prevent that short of a nuclear war. But then everyone loses if nukes are used. Ukraine's main problem is that they have a severe manpower shortage in their military that no amount of money or weapons can change. The West knows this but want this to play out for as long as possible.

Why? Most of the money goes to arms manufacturers and other corporations here in the US, a small amount does go to Ukraine and is pocketed by Zelensky and his minions, with a small fraction given to defend Ukraine along with any available arms and military supplies. This war is a great moneymaker for US corporations and US and Ukrainian government officials. Yes, they know that Ukraine is losing and will lose, but hey, it's a nice gravy train so that they want to keep it going as long as possible before Ukraine collapses. In the end, Ukraine will be blamed for this failure. It will be everyone's fault but not the US. They will most likely say that they gave everything they could in money, weapons, and supplies, but the Ukrainians couldn't hack it and failed. There are many scenarios that will exonerate the West. Stay tuned and watch what happens.

One more reason. If Ukraine loses, it all but guarantees that Biden loses in Nov.
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Old 04-24-2024, 09:13 AM
 
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From what I have read the material was prepositioned in Germany and Poland a few weeks ago, for quick delivery to Ukraine assuming the bill would be passed.

https://www.voanews.com/a/officials-...-/7582248.html
An admission that Congress and the legal processes for funding this war are now largely irrelevant? How is this action by Biden any different than a dictatorship, you know, the ones we’re supposedly fighting?
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Old 04-24-2024, 09:26 AM
 
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Not true....

But if it is true ....what is wrong with that? ....
Hmmm, everything?
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Old 04-24-2024, 09:37 AM
 
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I disagree.

We waited to see what would happen with North Korea and Iran, surprise, they just selected another bad guy to run the country. Business as usual.

We can do hypotheticals all day, but at the moment, bad countries exist and it won't come to and end just because their current leader dies.
I super great that you disagree and then go on to completely write something I never said in my post.

If you want to argue with whatever you think you read, maybe just stick to responding to your own posts.
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Old 04-24-2024, 09:41 AM
 
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Update on my earlier post about warnews247.gr:

This site now has an article that says that the US and Great Britain are in the process of moving a MASSIVE amount of war materiel the likes that have never been seen before in this conflict to Germany and Poland. This materiel is for the gathering NATO troops that are slated to go to Ukraine and fight Russia. 90,000 so far and counting. Stay tuned.
So you're saying Ukraine collapses by the end of Summer and NATO joining the fight.

Which is it? They're pretty mutually exclusive.

I think someone is feeding you bad info about NATO getting involved.
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Old 04-24-2024, 10:37 AM
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https://understandingwar.org/backgro...-april-23-2024

Russia working on its Moldova destabilization campaign:

"...Moldovan authorities confiscated over one million dollars from Kremlin-linked Moldovan opposition politicians at the Chisinau airport on the night of April 22 to 23, and the opposition politicians likely intended to use to bribe protestors and voters. Moldovan law enforcement officers conducted over 150 searches mostly at the Chisinau airport and in some personal homes after receiving a tip that opposition politicians who were returning from the April 21 meeting of Moldovan opposition politicians in Moscow, which resulted in the creation of the pro-Russian Moldovan Victory electoral bloc, were smuggling money into Moldova.[22] Moldovan authorities reported that they confiscated about 62,000 rubles (about $660), 3,000 euros (about $3,200), and over $1.1 million during the searches. The Moldovan General Police Inspectorate Chief Viorel Cernauteau stated on April 23 that the money was meant to finance Moldovan political parties led by affiliates of US-sanctioned, pro-Kremlin Moldovan politician Ilan Shor. Unspecified actors reportedly used “couriers” to transport the money from Russia to Moldova and promised them compensation ranging from 300 to 500 euros (about $320-520). Cernauteau noted that the “couriers” carried under 9,000 euros (about $9,600) of cash to avoid customs laws which require people to declare amounts over 10,000 euros (about $10,700). Shor reportedly paid demonstrators to protest Moldovan President Maia Sandu in 2022, and Moldovan authorities are investigating the Shor Party for bribing voters during the 2023 Gagauzia gubernatorial election.[23] Moldovan authorities have also detained members of Moldovan parliament who reportedly took bribes from Shor affiliates.[24] ISW previously assessed that the creation of the Victory electoral bloc would allow the Kremlin to focus on a unified political effort as part of its efforts to destabilize Moldovan society, attack Moldova’s democratic government, and prevent Moldova’s accession to the European Union (EU).[25]..."
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Old 04-24-2024, 11:13 AM
 
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Luckily Moldova has removed its dependence on Russian gas…

https://ecfr.eu/article/the-final-fr...n-russian-gas/

The final frontier: Ending Moldova’s dependency on Russian gas
Over the past year, Moldova has rid itself of Russian gas supplies. But it still receives electricity from the Russian-sponsored breakaway region of Transnistria. Ending this final dependency would bolster Moldova’s security – and Europe’s
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Old 04-24-2024, 11:40 AM
 
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21 people voted against this package. Guess out of how many votes? This vote only strengthens Putin's support in Russia.
Doesn't matter. Russians can support Putin until they're blue in the face, that's Russia's business. This isn't about unseating Putin - would be a nice bonus, but frankly, at this point he and the Russians deserve each other. All we want is for the the Russian army to move back to Russia - then they can support him some more, there.
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