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Old 07-24-2022, 01:03 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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So far for just July...US spending on a war that is not ours.

7/8..$400 million
7/12 $1.2 billion
7/22 $270 million

At the end of May total US spending on the Ukraine war was $54 billion
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Old 07-24-2022, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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So far for just July...US spending on a war that is not ours.

7/8..$400 million
7/12 $1.2 billion
7/22 $270 million

At the end of May total US spending on the Ukraine war was $54 billion
And much more to come
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Old 07-24-2022, 02:13 PM
 
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Note that you offer nothing supporting your opinion. Just another Putin propaganda note by you.
How is it Putin's propaganda when I am advising everyone to follow the West's narrative? Ukraine good, Russia bad.
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Old 07-24-2022, 04:25 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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...............Mark my words, Russia will not be...........
heh-heh.
"Mark my words" makes you the only source to be trusted, right?
And now we should all stop saying "Russia bad" because of your sophomoric attempt to intimidate us? What a hoot!


Russia is being crushed. Actually the Russian economy is imploding, says Foreign Policy Magazine. The Russian Economy is Headed for Collapse, says The Conversation's economists. Turning to Q2, the economy is heading into a deep recession, says Focus-Economics.
Seems clear to me. Russia is toast.


Russia is evil. They are bombing civilian areas, killing civilians and driving the ones that survive out of their homes. That is a definition of evil. Even their soldiers know what they are doing is wrong.

I heard a rumor once that Ukraine was corrupt. Probably true, since Biden was involved up to his armpits. But I don't care. Don't care.
The Russian malls are slowly being abandoned, and I'm glad. The sanctions will slowly crush Russia and their economy will never be rebuilt. Every rocket fired is one less in the stockpile, which will never be replenished.
It is a matter of time.


Russia is so inept that only ten HIMARS could tilt the war in favor of Ukraine. Ten.

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Old 07-24-2022, 04:37 PM
 
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heh-heh.
"Mark my words" makes you the only source to be trusted, right?
And now we should all stop saying "Russia bad" because of your sophomoric attempt to intimidate us? What a hoot!


Russia is being crushed. Actually the Russian economy is imploding, says Foreign Policy Magazine. The Russian Economy is Headed for Collapse, says The Conversation's economists. Turning to Q2, the economy is heading into a deep recession, says Focus-Economics.
Seems clear to me. Russia is toast.


Russia is evil. They are bombing civilian areas, killing civilians and driving the ones that survive out of their homes. That is a definition of evil. Even their soldiers know what they are doing is wrong.

I heard a rumor once that Ukraine was corrupt. Probably true, since Biden was involved up to his armpits. But I don't care. Don't care.
The Russian malls are slowly being abandoned, and I'm glad. The sanctions will slowly crush Russia and their economy will never be rebuilt. Every rocket fired is one less in the stockpile, which will never be replenished.
It is a matter of time.
Lol. Coming from a person who claimed that the military's hands were tied in Vietnam. As if millions of dead CIVILIANS were not enough.
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Old 07-24-2022, 04:40 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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As I have said before, the claim that Urkainian forces were doing any more than the Russian forces is a proven lie. A few civilians were killed in the shellings by each side. And the civilians killed were all Ukrainian citizens. Most of the people in the Donbas were ethnic Ukrainians.

Russia has zero grounds for controlling another country's language policies. And they have exaggerated. I think someone on this thread talked about being in Kiev in the previous 2 or 3 years and most people were speaking Russian.

Do you have a link for your claim about shipping? That sounds like a Putin lie.

Ukraine was not shutting off Hungary and the EU. Gas policies have been testy between Russia and all of their European customers who weren't satellites.
Putin let it slip out in the early stage of negotiations,back when those were going on, that attacks on Russian shipping had been an issue he wanted to resolve. But after negotiations collapsed, he decided, as we've seen, to simply take over the coastal territories.

And today, hours after signing an accord with Ukraine to allow grain shipments out, Russia attacked Odesa.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d=economics-vp


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The string of explosions in Ukraine’s most important port came less than 24 hours after the two countries struck a deal on grain shipments, and prompted accusations from Ukrainian leaders that Russia could not be trusted.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/w...in-attack.html

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Old 07-24-2022, 04:51 PM
 
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As I have said before, the claim that Urkainian forces were doing any more than the Russian forces is a proven lie. A few civilians were killed in the shellings by each side. And the civilians killed were all Ukrainian citizens. Most of the people in the Donbas were ethnic Ukrainians.

Russia has zero grounds for controlling another country's language policies. And they have exaggerated. I think someone on this thread talked about being in Kiev in the previous 2 or 3 years and most people were speaking Russian.


Do you have a link for your claim about shipping? That sounds like a Putin lie.

Ukraine was not shutting off Hungary and the EU. Gas policies have been testy between Russia and all of their European customers who weren't satellites.
You don''t need to convince me of these things,lol. You need to convince the little man in the Kremlin.

Someone asked for a list of what Ukraine had done to anger Russia (besides having the audacity to exist as an independent nation), so I provided one. Obviously it represents Russia's POV, since Russia's the one that started this mess. The list is how Russia views it. In addition, Ukraine may have been taunting Russia now& then about joining NATO, but those were empty threats,since NATO had turned Ukraine down. But P seemed to be unaware of that.

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Old 07-24-2022, 05:05 PM
 
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heh-heh.
"Mark my words" makes you the only source to be trusted, right?
And now we should all stop saying "Russia bad" because of your sophomoric attempt to intimidate us? What a hoot!


Russia is being crushed. Actually the Russian economy is imploding, says Foreign Policy Magazine. The Russian Economy is Headed for Collapse, says The Conversation's economists. Turning to Q2, the economy is heading into a deep recession, says Focus-Economics.
Seems clear to me. Russia is toast.


Russia is evil. They are bombing civilian areas, killing civilians and driving the ones that survive out of their homes. That is a definition of evil. Even their soldiers know what they are doing is wrong.

I heard a rumor once that Ukraine was corrupt. Probably true, since Biden was involved up to his armpits. But I don't care. Don't care.
The Russian malls are slowly being abandoned, and I'm glad. The sanctions will slowly crush Russia and their economy will never be rebuilt. Every rocket fired is one less in the stockpile, which will never be replenished.
It is a matter of time.


Russia is so inept that only ten HIMARS could tilt the war in favor of Ukraine. Ten.
I'm not trying to intimidate anyone. I am just saying Russia will win this, militarily and economically. This is what I am seeing. Again, mark my words, Russia will win. You will see this happen soon.

And I'm not sure where you are getting your information from, but most of it is false. Oh, wait ... it does follow the proper narrative, so ok, you're fine. Sorry.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:35 PM
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Putin let it slip out in the early stage of negotiations,back when those were going on, that attacks on Russian shipping had been an issue he wanted to resolve. But after negotiations collapsed, he decided, as we've seen, to simply take over the coastal territories.

And today, hours after signing an accord with Ukraine to allow grain shipments out, Russia attacked Odesa.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d=economics-vp


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/23/w...in-attack.html
Putin lies constantly. You know the song "...If your lips are moving, then you're lyin', lyin', lyin'...

His public statements are nothing but political propaganda. You need more than a Putin speech as a source to be taken seriously.
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Old 07-24-2022, 06:37 PM
bu2
 
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You don''t need to convince me of these things,lol. You need to convince the little man in the Kremlin.

Someone asked for a list of what Ukraine had done to anger Russia (besides having the audacity to exist as an independent nation), so I provided one. Obviously it represents Russia's POV, since Russia's the one that started this mess. The list is how Russia views it. In addition, Ukraine may have been taunting Russia now& then about joining NATO, but those were empty threats,since NATO had turned Ukraine down. But P seemed to be unaware of that.
In some cases, that is how Putin views it. In other cases, it is simply a lie that he uses to justify something he wants for other reasons. He wants to be "Putin the Great" and restore the Russian empire. I do take him at his word when he makes those claims.
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