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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.34%
No 247 51.14%
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Old 11-04-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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How those hypersonic missiles treating the electric grid in Ukraine? You guys repeat Russia is losing enough you might just begin to believe it yourself. Oh they haven't started using them in earnest yet? Fools in Europe sold out the public for a money laundering operation. Enough with the Western propaganda just sit down and end the massacre.
As opposed to Russia propaganda?
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Old 11-04-2022, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Spain
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How those hypersonic missiles treating the electric grid in Ukraine?
Hah sure don't worry about the direction the front lines have been going, look over here Russia can launch expensive missiles to temporarily take out utilities in cities hundreds of miles from the front.

I'm not even sure most people in Russia believe the attacks on civilian infrastructure are significant to the tide of the war other than revenge tantrum, yet here you are taking the bobber right along with the hook.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I get a laugh out of you guys who think Russian equipment is inferior. Maybe you forgot who got into space first. As far as Zelensky kneeling to Russia he's already knelt to the US. The only one who will be turning up the heat this Winter in Ukraine will be Putin.
If hardware is not the problem then the problem must be the training and doctrines of the Russian state and armies
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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If hardware is not the problem then the problem must be the training and doctrines of the Russian state and armies
That's what ISW seems to think

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/st...99508006539267

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ISW: “Putin’s actions thus far suggest that he is far more concerned with rushing bodies to the battlefield than with addressing [basic flaws in the Russian military personnel and equipment systems].”
They are simply embarrassing themselves with the whole world watching.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:23 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Because Ukraine is defending itself. I thought this was obvious.
Yes, they are defending themselves but if they won't compromise and if Pootin is as bad as everyone says he is, he might nuke Ukraine and then no more Ukrainians. Too late to compromise then.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:33 PM
 
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Yes, they are defending themselves but if they won't compromise and if Pootin is as bad as everyone says he is, he might nuke Ukraine and then no more Ukrainians. Too late to compromise then.
And no more Russia.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Port Charlotte FL
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Yes, they are defending themselves but if they won't compromise and if Pootin is as bad as everyone says he is, he might nuke Ukraine and then no more Ukrainians. Too late to compromise then.

Pooty boy MIGHT listen to this guy though...


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China’s Xi warns Putin not to use nuclear arms in Ukraine

https://www.politico.eu/article/chin...y-peace-talks/
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:40 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yes, they are defending themselves but if they won't compromise and if Pootin is as bad as everyone says he is, he might nuke Ukraine and then no more Ukrainians. Too late to compromise then.
That's the most ludicrous statement ever made about Russian nukes.
"No more Ukrainians?"
Gimmee a break. Using a nuke of any sort anywhere is suicide for Russia. They know that.


Until just a few months ago Ukrainians didn't know that could beat Russia back. Obviously, they can. So Russia really has no position at all.
The death toll in Kherson alone will be 10's of thousands of Russian soldiers, who either starve or are killed by Ukrainians whose home towns have been attacked by Russian missiles.
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Old 11-04-2022, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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That's what ISW seems to think

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/st...99508006539267

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ISW: “Putin’s actions thus far suggest that he is far more concerned with rushing bodies to the battlefield than with addressing [basic flaws in the Russian military personnel and equipment systems].”
They are simply embarrassing themselves with the whole world watching.
It worked for the Soviet Union during WW2. They rushed about 34 million bodies to the battlefield. About one-third of them were killed, but it was a successful operation. I expect that is their current plan as well.
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Old 11-04-2022, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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It worked for the Soviet Union during WW2. They rushed about 34 million bodies to the battlefield. About one-third of them were killed, but it was a successful operation. I expect that is their current plan as well.
They can't even mobilize their stated 300,000 men...they don't have the logistics in place and their recent efforts are a complete debacle.

Putiins Russia cannot be compared to Communist Russia in mobilization capacity during the cold war.....not even remotely close.

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Mobilization and Force Generation Efforts (Russian objective: Expand combat power without conducting general mobilization)

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...ent-november-3

The Russian military continues to face pronounced supply issues of critical military equipment. The United Kingdom Ministry of Defense (MoD) reported on November 3 that the Russian military is struggling in Ukraine partially due to issues in sourcing artillery ammunition and armored vehicles.[68] The UK MoD reported that in mid-October Russian forces in Ukraine were losing more than 40 armored vehicles a day, which the UK MoD assessed was roughly equivalent to a battalion’s worth of equipment.[69] The UK MoD also reported that Russia has likely resorted to negotiating the supply of a 100 tanks and armored vehicles from Belarusian stocks in recent weeks.[70] The Ukrainian General Staff reported on November 3 that Russian forces have started removing military equipment from storage that has not undergone appropriate maintenance.[71] Russia will likely continue to face protracted issues in supplying critical military equipment to Russian forces in Ukraine.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) is likely continuing mobilization efforts covertly under the guise of forming volunteer units as of November 3. Ukrainian General Staff Deputy Chief Oleksiy Hromov reported on November 3 that Russian officials are continuing covert mobilization despite the announced end of partial mobilization efforts.[72] Russian sources reported that Russian officials in the Republic of Karelia and the Republic of Kabardino-Balkaria are still issuing mobilization summonses.[73] Hromov reported that Russian military recruitment centers received an order to continue recruiting volunteers for contract service.[74] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that volunteers can be men with expunged criminal records as well as men of any age and any health condition despite official disabled status.[75] Russian military officials will likely continue mobilization efforts covertly in the short term and pursue crypto-mobilization efforts like the formation of volunteer units in the long term. The continuation of mobilization efforts and the pursuit of crypto mobilization will likely reduce the efficacy of the fall 2022 conscription cycle in the Russian Federation.

The Russian military continued to face issues in accommodating newly mobilized personnel as of November 3. Russian sources reported that mobilized personnel continue to not receive training, equipment, and supplies.[76] A Russian source reported on November 2 that mobilized personnel in Pskov are sick, starving, and sleeping on the streets.[77] The Russian military also continues to face issues with disorderly conduct among mobilized personnel. A Russian source reported that Russian military police appealed to the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs for help in restoring order after more than 350 drunk and disorderly mobilized personnel arrived at a train station in Belgorod Oblast.[78] The Russian military will likely continue to face issues in accommodating and incorporating newly mobilized personnel, especially as it continues to focus on replenishing depleted frontline units with newly mobilized personnel instead of adequately training them.

The Russian Military is unlikely to improve the quality of the training of its personnel despite proposals to do so. Crimean State Duma Deputy Mikhail Sheremet proposed on November 3 to increase the terms of service in the army to two years, which would allow for more time to train personnel.[79] The Russian military is unlikely to increase the time of training even if it increases the terms of service. Hromov reported on November 2 that the Russian MoD sped up courses for current cadets and moved their graduation from June 2023 to December 2022.[80] The Russian military is likely going to apply similar time constraints to its training of new conscripts regardless of an extension of their terms of service. The Russian military currently prioritizes getting personnel to frontline positions in Ukraine quickly and appears to view the quality of their training as an afterthought.

Russia continues to face social backlash due to the conduct of partial mobilization. Russian sources reported that mobilized personnel continued protests in Ulyanovsk over the lack of promised payments and are currently conducting a strike as of November 2.[81] Further social backlash is likely as Russian officials will likely fail to meet promises made to the public during partial mobilization.
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