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That's what I think of 99% of people in this thread...
Again, give me a good, specific reason why you think Russia is evil...
Whatever I toss out you will call fake news. But here is an interesting read of Ukrainian's interaction with the Russian military in Bucha. Which this naked aggression against Ukraine is just one in a long chapter of reasons Russian leadership is considered evil.
It was a total looney bin. This mad delusion was wrapped in something normal looking, and it influenced us the most. These people were not monsters with animal fangs and tails. I don't really want to use the word "people" after seeing photos of their atrocities. But that's the problem: damn, they are people. And at least the history of Nazism and Bolshevism makes it clear that evil is often very ordinary. Many people can be turned into zombies in just a few years, even those that are quite civilized, not to mention Russians who have been brainwashed for a long time already.
Whatever I toss out you will call fake news. But here is an interesting read of Ukrainian's interaction with the Russian military in Bucha. Which this naked aggression against Ukraine is just one in a long chapter of reasons Russian leadership is considered evil.
I don't know that site, nor that person.
I don't trust any Ukrainians anymore, they are born liars. Just think of the ombudswoman who was recently fired because of all the lies she made up about Russians soldiers committing rapes, which even Ukrainians realized was damaging their own reputation and credibility.
Funny you chose Bucha. You are aware that the whole war crimes story of hundreds of dead people lying on the streets was fabricated, right?
I don't know that site, nor that person.
I don't trust any Ukrainians anymore, they are born liars. Just think of the ombudswoman who was recently fired because of all the lies she made up about Russians soldiers committing rapes, which even Ukrainians realized was damaging their own reputation and credibility.
Funny you chose Bucha. You are aware that the whole war crimes story of hundreds of dead people lying on the streets was fabricated, right?
This is what I'm hearing from you
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Russians who have been brainwashed for a long time already
Nobody starts a war just like that. In fact, the invasion only occurred after years of incredible patience on the part of Russia. Because the war started many years ago.
And Russia did not just wake up one day and decide to invade on the 24th.
Several people with a lot of insight actually say the war already started on the 16th, when Ukraine dramatically increased the shelling of the Donbas, from just a few dozen ceasefire violations before to about 1500 per day.
This Swiss colonel for instance: https://www.sott.net/article/466340-...-on-in-Ukraine
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In February 2022, events came to a head. On February 7, during his visit to Moscow, Emmanuel Macron reaffirmed to Vladimir Putin his commitment to the Minsk Agreements, a commitment he would repeat after his meeting with Volodymyr Zelensky the next day. But on February 11, in Berlin, after nine hours of work, the meeting of political advisors to the leaders of the "Normandy format" ended without any concrete result: the Ukrainians still refused to apply the Minsk Agreements, apparently under pressure from the United States. Vladimir Putin noted that Macron had made empty promises and that the West was not ready to enforce the agreements, the same opposition to a settlement it had exhibited for eight years.
Ukrainian preparations in the contact zone continued. The Russian Parliament became alarmed; and on February 15 it asked Vladimir Putin to recognize the independence of the Republics, which he initially refused to do.
On 17 February, President Joe Biden announced that Russia would attack Ukraine in the next few days. How did he know this? It is a mystery. [That is irony.] But since the 16th, the artillery shelling of the population of Donbass had increased dramatically, as the daily reports of the OSCE observers show. Naturally, neither the media, nor the European Union, nor NATO, nor any Western government reacted or intervened. It would be said later that this was Russian disinformation. In fact, it seems that the European Union and some countries have deliberately kept silent about the massacre of the Donbass population, knowing that this would provoke a Russian intervention. [which they had been hoping for for years]
At the same time, there were reports of sabotage in the Donbass. On 18 January, Donbass fighters intercepted saboteurs, who spoke Polish and were equipped with Western equipment and who were seeking to create chemical incidents in Gorlivka. They could have been CIA mercenaries, led or "advised" by Americans and composed of Ukrainian or European fighters, to carry out sabotage actions in the Donbass Republics.
In fact, as early as February 16, Joe Biden knew that the Ukrainians had begun intense shelling the civilian population of Donbass, forcing Vladimir Putin to make a difficult choice: to help Donbass militarily and create an international problem, or to stand by and watch the Russian-speaking people of Donbass being crushed.
If he decided to intervene, Putin could invoke the international obligation of "Responsibility To Protect" (R2P). But he knew that whatever its nature or scale, the intervention would trigger a storm of sanctions. Therefore, whether Russian intervention were limited to the Donbass or went further to put pressure on the West over the status of the Ukraine, the price to pay would be the same. This is what he explained in his speech on February 21. On that day, he agreed to the request of the Duma and recognized the independence of the two Donbass Republics and, at the same time, he signed friendship and assistance treaties with them.
The Ukrainian artillery bombardment of the Donbass population continued, and, on 23 February, the two Republics asked for military assistance from Russia. On 24 February, Vladimir Putin invoked Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which provides for mutual military assistance in the framework of a defensive alliance.
In order to make the Russian intervention seem totally illegal in the eyes of the public, Western powers deliberately hid the fact that the war actually started on February 16. The Ukrainian army was preparing to attack the Donbass as early as 2021, as some Russian and European intelligence services were well aware.
In his speech of February 24, Vladimir Putin stated the two objectives of his operation: "demilitarize" and "denazify" the Ukraine. So, it was not a question of taking over Ukraine, nor even, presumably, of occupying it; and certainly not of destroying it.
Nobody starts a war just like that. In fact, the invasion only occurred after years of incredible patience on the part of Russia. Because the war started many years ago.
And Russia did not just wake up one day and decide to invade on the 24th.
Several people with a lot of insight actually say the war already started on the 16th, when Ukraine dramatically increased the shelling of the Donbas, from just a few dozen ceasefire violations before to about 1500 per day.
This Swiss colonel for instance: https://www.sott.net/article/466340-...-on-in-Ukraine
There are good reasons why nobody talks about Bucha anymore. There is a lot of evidence by now showing it was staged, hence neither Ukraine nor the West want this to be a topic anymore. They want to avoid an independent investigation.
Just like when Ukraine shelled the railway station. First there was a big fuss, the media were all accusing Russia. And then Western reporters traveled there, and took photos of the remains of the missile, published them, and others found out that based on the serial number on the remains it was a Ukrainian missile, listed in Ukrainian army documents. Path analysis also confirmed it was shot from Ukrainian territory. Then, all of a sudden the media dropped that attack like a hot potato instead of apologizing for their mistake.
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