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Old 08-20-2022, 09:57 AM
 
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The problem with America is that instead of Trump being in prison, we are talking here about a possibility of him to become a US president again.
Lol! Spot on.

I just wish people can be objective and stop ignoring the fact that trump is just a horrible person. Forget about left or right. Forget about politics and just look @ the man and what he represents. Instead everything is "fake news" or the FBI is all of a sudden evil for doing their job. Everything is Qanon nonsense.

And BTW stop electing super super old farts as your President for God's sake. JS
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:03 AM
 
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Lol! Spot on.

I just wish people can be objective and stop ignoring the fact that trump is just a horrible person. Forget about left or right. Forget about politics and just look @ the man and what he represents. Instead everything is "fake news" or the FBI is all of a sudden evil for doing their job. Everything is Qanon nonsense.

And BTW stop electing super super old farts as your President for God's sake. JS
Exactly, it's not about politics anymore, and not about what party this person represents. In fact, he ONLY REPRESENTS AND CARES ABOUT HIMSELF. He doesn't give a **** about anything else. He doesn't give a **** about America.

Just look at the person's character! And yet, look what is going on! How can this country have a future?!

Sorry, went completely off topic... Could not help it.
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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He doesn't give a **** about anything else. He doesn't give a **** about America.
Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden care about you? Give me a ****ing break. No one gives a **** about you. No one. Politicians aren't your friend. They're your weapon. They're how you get what you want. Use them.
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden care about you? Give me a ****ing break. No one gives a **** about you. No one. Politicians aren't your friend. They're your weapon. They're how you get what you want. Use them.
What is your ****ing point?

I want America to continue being a free democratic society. How about you?? Do you want the USA to become another USSR/Russia in a couple of years?

The guy I am talking about is a despot and tyrant, just like Putin, or Hitler. If you don't see the difference between him and Clinton, or Biden, or Mitch McConnell, you don't need to respond. Just shut up! You are talking too much, anyway.

Use them? They are using YOU, silly! With people like you, I am not surprised people like Trump come to power.

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Old 08-20-2022, 10:41 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I mean, Europe is on the verge of freezing to death and deindustrializing. There will be famine/destabilization in the third-world leading to a massive refugee crisis. Inflation is in the double-digits in most of the west, and US sanctions will cause global dedollarization. But if you want to pretend everything is fine...
Russia is dying. That is the point.
All the talk about what "will be" is pure conjecture. I'd be happy to listen to a few experts on the matter if you have links.

Inflation is a problem everywhere, but few countries can match Russia's inflation of 15% while at the same time seeing a wage reduction of 7% and a drop in GDP of 10%. Other countries will simply have to deal with the issue, but Russia must deal with the issue while their international trade has been brought to a near standstill.

"Everything would be fine" if Russia would go back home and tend to Russian business. Since they won't do that, it is necessary to destroy them economically. Several other countries in the world (Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea) have been impoverished by sanctions and boycotts and Russia will, too. An impoverished Russia, unable to make international trouble, makes a safer world.
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:44 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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The problem with America is that instead of Trump being in prison, we are talking here about a possibility of him to become a US president again.
If he manages to get elected, then that's just the way it goes.
I am not sure what this would mean to the war. By that time Ukraine may have everything it needs and Russia may have been chased off Ukrainian territory.
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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I want America to continue being a free democratic society.
Are you governed? Are you free?

Democracy = rule by capitalists. So keep the status quo?

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The guy I am talking about is a despot and tyrant
What do you mean by despotic? Is the US government not already despotic? Would you rather mob-rule? Do you think the majority should have the right to tyrannize the minority?

You don't know what you're talking about. You're just speaking words.... "Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken

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Use them? They are using YOU, silly!
They're not using you? Why are you so terrified of Trump being reelected if you love democracy so much?

Because you hate democracy just like the rest of us. Good.
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:50 AM
 
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Are you governed? Are you free?

Democracy = rule by capitalists. So keep the status quo?



What do you mean by despotic? Is the US government not already despotic? Would you rather mob-rule? Do you think the majority should have the right to tyrannize the minority?

You don't know what you're talking about. You're just speaking words.... "Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." - H.L. Mencken


They're not using you? Why are you so terrified of Trump being reelected if you love democracy so much?

Because you hate democracy just like the rest of us. Good.


Bye bye!
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Old 08-20-2022, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Russia is dying. I'd be happy to listen to a few experts on the matter if you have links.
Sure. Because I'm confused by what you mean by "dying". I assume you mean demographics?

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"Everything would be fine" if Russia would go back home and tend to Russian business.
It is obvious that you have no idea why Russia invaded. There is no going back. If Russia loses, Russia will be destroyed.

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Several other countries in the world (Cuba, Venezuela, North Korea) have been impoverished by sanctions and boycotts and Russia will, too. An impoverished Russia, unable to make international trouble, makes a safer world.
Sanctions have always failed. Name one country where sanctions succeeded in anything other than creating more enemies and causing future wars. Most of the world refuses to sanction Russia or to obey American sanctions. The only thing that is happening is Russian energy is being rerouted from Europe to Asia.

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Old 08-20-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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It is obvious that you have no idea why Russia invaded. There is no going back. If Russia loses, Russia will be destroyed.
Hardly so dire. Russia has been in much tighter spots, uglier situations ... and has always survived. The people will survive, the culture will thrive.

Maybe Putin would be destroyed, or maybe he would hold on by accelerating his reign of terror over a weakened and chastened state. Vladimir the Terrible.

The actions taken, the war and the death, was the decision of one man alone, and it came as a surprise to the common folk who are now asked to die in a foreign land.

No, Russia is not fighting for it's life here. It is fighting for Putin's ego and his greed.

Ukraine is fighting for it's life.

I think the ordinary Russians are beginning to figure this out.
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