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Originally Posted by AguaDulce
It was not Pelosi who blocked the assistance from the National Guard.
Any evidence to support your allegation?
Yawn. How many times does this have to be proven to you folks for it to finally sink in?
The House sergeant at arms reports to Pelosi. Among asking others, Sund had asked Irving, who had answered to Pelosi, a number of times for the NG and Irving denied his requests. The Capitol building is under the Speaker of the House, and Pelosi does have a say in the security of the building.
Do you think a riot or a suspected threat of a riot at the Capitol building is so commonplace that it happens on a daily (day-to-day) basis?
1200, I don't know why your committee hasn't told you this. Anyway, that amount of cops makes it even stranger that Pelosi didn't want the NG there too.
This sounds like Sean Hannity's claim that Trump authorized 20,000 NG troops but Pelosi turned them down. First of all she doesn't have the authority nor does any other member of congress, that resides with the president no one else and secondly when and where were they getting all these troops.
Pence called General Milley 3 times during the riot asking him to call out the military, that was in a deposition. Trump never gave orders to anyone.
Since no one in the crowd was searched or screened, we'll never know. However, many rioters were armed, and many have been indicted or convicted for carrying weapons. A few examples:
Lonnie Coffman - sentenced to four years for carrying two handguns and bringing a rifle, crossbow, stun gun,
shotgun, machetes, and 11 Molotov cocktails in his vehicle.
Guy Refitt - convicted of possessing a firearm.
Christopher Alberts - indicted for carrying a Taurus G2C handgun on Capitol grounds.
Mark Ibrahim - indicted for bringing a firearm into the Capitol.
Objects used as weapons during the attack:flagpoles, sharp sticks, batons, baseball bats, hockey sticks, and bear spray.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a group of peacefull, law and order Republicans. (/s)
I have already done that. The hearings are on again Thursday at ten. Join us, if you aren't too busy.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
I think Thursday will be about Mike Pence hiding in the basement of the Capitol refusing to let the Secret Service take him away because he knew they wouldn't bring him back, while the crowd was chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" for a while, and Trump's response to it. We already saw the beginning of the attempted coup with the mob smashing the doors in the last two episodes.
Don't know what else they might show in that segment. Tune in and find out.
Don’t know about the ‘coup’ exaggeration but the rest of that’s been known for the last 18 months. I guess the Dems gotta do the replay and some folks like watching.
Yawn. How many times does this have to be proven to you folks for it to finally sink in?
The House sergeant at arms reports to Pelosi. Among asking others, Sund had asked Irving, who had answered to Pelosi, a number of times for the NG and Irving denied his requests. The Capitol building is under the Speaker of the House, and Pelosi does have a say in the security of the building.
Do you think a riot or a suspected threat of a riot at the Capitol building is so commonplace that it happens on a daily (day-to-day) basis?
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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That was 1200 spread across the Capitol Complex. There were somewhere between 195 and 400 actually in the Capitol Building, according to estimates. I have no idea whose estimate to believe on this one.
The 1200 grew by a couple of hundred more during the afternoon. But all in all, there's only about 1800 Capitol cops in total that are employed to guard the Capitol.
One would think that with the number of cops there, that:
There would have been a rush to add the NG to the mix.
They would have made sure all of the cops were armed with passive crowd control weapons, mace bombs, smoke bombs, rubber bullets, etc. (a mace/smoke bomb could have quickly cleared out the inside area, where Babbitt was murdered, before the windows were broken and before she was murdered)
They would have trained the cops better, and perhaps hired better cops.
Trained to not open gates and allow large numbers of protesters to enter the area around the building.
Trained to not allow them to walk into the very building they are protecting.
Trained to where if the cops feel overwhelmed then they hole up inside the building and protect it and the people in the building from the inside(like the cops across the country had done many times in 2020)
etc.
The rioting protesters across the country during 2020 probably outnumbered the cops as well, and those cops seemed to be able to handle it very well. Perhaps the Capitol cops aren't as well trained or as brave as the cops across the country?
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Originally Posted by JustPassinThru
Since no one in the crowd was searched or screened, we'll never know. However, many rioters were armed, and many have been indicted or convicted for carrying weapons. A few examples:
Lonnie Coffman - sentenced to four years for carrying two handguns and bringing a rifle, crossbow, stun gun,
shotgun, machetes, and 11 Molotov cocktails in his vehicle.
I don't recall hearing of someone driving their vehicle onto the Capitol grounds or into the building. Can you post a link showing that those weapons were on or anywhere near the Capitol?
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Guy Refitt - convicted of possessing a firearm.
Christopher Alberts - indicted for carrying a Taurus G2C handgun on Capitol grounds.
Mark Ibrahim - indicted for bringing a firearm into the Capitol.
I don't recall anyone using a gun or pointing it at a cop. Can you post a link where those guns were actually used and not holstered the whole time?
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Objects used as weapons during the attack:flagpoles, sharp sticks, batons, baseball bats, hockey sticks, and bear spray.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a group of peacefull, law and order Republicans. (/s)
How many of each weapon on your list was there, and how many people actually carried them? Do you believe those types of weapons, and the small amount of them, would overwhelm a government that has every weapon known to man? Seriously?
This sounds like Sean Hannity's claim that Trump authorized 20,000 NG troops but Pelosi turned them down. First of all she doesn't have the authority nor does any other member of congress, that resides with the president no one else and secondly when and where were they getting all these troops.
Pence called General Milley 3 times during the riot asking him to call out the military, that was in a deposition. Trump never gave orders to anyone.
Trump as president commanded the D.C. Guard. Had he given an order for them to be there, she could not have stopped them from coming.
Don’t know about the ‘coup’ exaggeration but the rest of that’s been known for the last 18 months. I guess the Dems gotta do the replay and some folks like watching.
This time we are hearing directly from people who were there. Until now it was news reports and books quoting anonymous sources. I like hearing direct evidence.
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