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View Poll Results: Will you be watching the House January 6 Committee hearing?
YES-WATCHING 70 24.56%
NO-NOT WATCHING 215 75.44%
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Old 06-15-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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There are a few more segments left to show. They're building up to a finish.

That's the beauty of time - it keeps everything from happening at once. The hearings are the unabridged documentary, not the Cliff's Notes. Have patience.
That is precisely what Jussie Smollet’s lawyers said regarding evidence of a racial attack.

Rational folks called BS on that nonsense.

 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:09 PM
 
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That is precisely what Jussie Smollett’s lawyers said regarding evidence of a racial attack.

Rational folks called BS on that nonsense.
Yes, and Trump told us we'd have a new health care plan in two weeks. Many times before he was elected and many more times over the course of his term. Sometimes people lie.

He also told a really big lie about the election, and continues to do so. And here we are.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:11 PM
 
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I don't think they have discussed the "Security, Planning, and Response Failures" in the hearings. Maybe I'll start a separate thread. Thanks for the reminder to stay on topic.
Don’t hold your breath for that theatrical production (for obvious reasons Nancy’s avoiding the the topic ).

On the bright side she is very very interested in pursuing her ‘Orange Man Bad narrative’ and tricking people into thinking she has produced evidence (she hadn’t) Trump told supporters to trespass at the Capitol Building.

Ain’t it grand?
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:13 PM
 
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Let's see... 400 cops, 3,000 attackers.

Yep. The cops had that one in the bag, for sure.
I thought there were more capital police then 400 given they had over 100 injuries from the event. Thats brutal.

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The one-sided hearings have been remarkably silent concerning the only gunshot that day.

Hint, it was not fired by the unarmed protestors.

Maybe they’ll be covered as part of the testimony regarding security failures.

Which will be never.

It ain’t called a one-sided (and meaningless) theatrical production for nothing.
What nonsense. We are incredibly lucky only 1 person was shot given that some of the crowd had guns. And that the crowd was trying to attack the capital, while the vice president was there. Thats the sort of things that can bring big guns out. The restraint shown was frankly surprising. Push comes to shove the secret service would not have messed around for example.

And look at the people complaining about the witnesses. Notice something? I think almost all of the witnesses have been Republicans. No matter WHO was asked to testify the GOP would say the same thing. Their argument literally comes down to this-witnesses arent evidence. In fact in their world NOTHING is evidence, because its important you believe them, not your lying eyes.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:14 PM
 
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Yes, and Trump told us we'd have a new health care plan in two weeks. Many times before he was elected and many more times over the course of his term. Sometimes people lie.

He also told a really big lie about the election, and continues to do so. And here we are.
When you say really big lie about an election rational folks think you are referencing Hillary’s/Nancy’s/Schiff’s talk of Trump Russia Collusion (thereby stealing the election). Not sure they are over it. True believers just ‘know’ the evidence for (the hoax) is right around the corner.

As is now the case now regarding Trump’s purported orders to trespass at the Capitol.

Maybe tomorrow we’ll see it.

LOL
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:16 PM
 
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Don’t hold your breath for that theatrical production (for obvious reasons Nancy’s avoiding the the topic).
I'm curious where you get your information from.

AP:

The decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol is made by what is known as the Capitol Police Board, which is made up of the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The board decided not to call the guard ahead of the insurrection but did eventually request assistance after the rioting had already begun, and the troops arrived several hours later.

The House Sergeant at Arms reports to Pelosi and the Senate Sergeant at Arms reported to McConnell, a Republican who was then Senate Majority Leader. There is no evidence that either directed the security officials not to call the guard.


https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542

Politifact:

A widely shared Facebook post claimed that only Pelosi is "responsible for what happened at the Capitol" on Jan. 6, "security at the Capitol is her job."

Responsibility for Capitol security is shared, it is not solely the responsibility of the Speaker.

Security is provided by the sergeant-at-arms of the House, the sergeant-at-arms of the Senate and the Capitol Police. The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, Pelosi. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader, then McConnell. The Capitol Police is overseen by a four-member board that includes both sergeants-at-arms.

News reports indicate that before the attack, the House sergeant-at-arms resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of "optics," but he said intelligence reports didn’t warrant the extra security.

The chain of command for Capitol security does include Pelosi, but it does not fall solely to her as this post claims. Others in the chain of command include the Senate majority leader and the Capitol police chief. We rate the claim Mostly False.


https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...responsibilit/
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:18 PM
 
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When you say really big lie rational folks think you are referencing Hillary’s/Nancy’s/Schiff’s talk of Trump Russia Collusion (thereby stealing the election). Not sure they are over it.
That's unfortunate, I reckon.

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Trumps been out of office for 18 months.
Not everyone would agree with this statement.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:19 PM
 
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Lol the only purple whose lives were in danger were the boomers that were talked into trespassing by feds.... one of them actually got murdered.
She was 35 years old. Hardly a boomer.

LOL Yourself.
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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Which ones testified Trump told his supporters to go and trespass at the Capitol?

And that is in the context of the Democrats carefully selecting and questioning their own witnesses.

Gotcha!

FYI. This has been known for a long time.


Because President Trump said to': Over a dozen Capitol rioters say they were following Trump's guidance.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/president-...ry?id=75757601

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An ABC News investigation into the nearly 200 accused rioters facing federal charges for their alleged involvement at the Capitol -- based on court filings, military records, interviews, and available news reports-- found that at least fifteen individuals who stormed the building have since said that they acted based on Trump's encouragement, including some of those accused of the most violent and serious crimes.

"I believed I was following the instructions of former President Trump ...
 
Old 06-15-2022, 03:26 PM
 
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Oooh! MAGA is using Politifact as a credible source? NOTED!
Yes I did. Your point? ... Oh yeah, unwarranted snark as is normal for you. got it. You people just cannot have a civil discussion, can you.<not a question, but rather a statement of fact.

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From your link:

A widely shared Facebook post claimed that only Pelosi is "responsible for what happened at the Capitol" on Jan. 6, "security at the Capitol is her job."

Responsibility for Capitol security is shared, it is not solely the responsibility of the Speaker.

Security is provided by the sergeant-at-arms of the House, the sergeant-at-arms of the Senate and the Capitol Police. The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, Pelosi. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader, then McConnell. The Capitol Police is overseen by a four-member board that includes both sergeants-at-arms.

News reports indicate that before the attack, the House sergeant-at-arms resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of "optics," but he said intelligence reports didn’t warrant the extra security.

The chain of command for Capitol security does include Pelosi, but it does not fall solely to her as this post claims. Others in the chain of command include the Senate majority leader and the Capitol police chief. We rate the claim Mostly False.



From AP:

The decision on whether to call National Guard troops to the Capitol is made by what is known as the Capitol Police Board, which is made up of the House Sergeant at Arms, the Senate Sergeant at Arms and the Architect of the Capitol. The board decided not to call the guard ahead of the insurrection but did eventually request assistance after the rioting had already begun, and the troops arrived several hours later.

The House Sergeant at Arms reports to Pelosi and the Senate Sergeant at Arms reported to McConnell, a Republican who was then Senate Majority Leader. There is no evidence that either directed the security officials not to call the guard.


https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-235651652542
The article that Politifact was fact checking said that "ONLY Pelosi is "responsible for what happened at the Capitol" on Jan. 6. Politifact said that Pelosi IS in the chain of command for Capitol security, that she IS responsible for the security in the Capitol, but that she is not "solely" responsible for Capitol security. The claim that 'ONLY she is responsible' is the reason why Politifact gave it the article the "mostly false" rating.

The reason people point fingers at her is because she is the top banana in the Capitol. all roads lead to her.

You took the time to post quotes from Politifact, but it's a pity you failed to actually read what you were posting.
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