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Originally Posted by greywar
There we go. Its still a TON of injured, some seriously BTW. but not the 400 number. Or is there some reason for the 400? All told 1,200 at the time it kicked off it sounds like as per your link. Thats where most of the injuries occur, so a bit less then one in 10. Almost, but not quite decimated via casualties. I believe that's a accurate usage of that. Ouch. but not as bad as 1 in 4.
Also thats some pretty serious "We need to dig REALLY really deeply into what they did from second by second sort of thing. Cause wow that looks bad. Or intentional.
I do feel bad for the Capitol cops, reading that link it seems they had absolutely no direction from their superiors, just basically told 'get out there and do what you can do'. At least one cop had said that the lax leadership was "scary". Pretty bad form on the leaders.
It also sounds like there were a few hundred special 'riot police'. I don't know if they were counted in the 1200 or if they were extra. But the specials were the only ones who had riot control outfits and gear to handle rioters and all the rest of the cops were basically naked...no riot attire or riot/crowd control devices. More bad form on the leaders.
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Originally Posted by cuebald
From your post, it was kind of hard to figure that out. 1,400 cops in one building is a lot different from 1,400 cops in 20 buildings spread over a couple of miles. The Capitol Complex was mentioned by name later under the same section in the link you posted.
I just wanted to make sure we were all talking apples to apples.
Seems the target was the Capitol building itself. Reason would dictate that the majority of cops would have been stationed there. Idk.
I do feel bad for the Capitol cops, reading that link it seems they had absolutely no direction from their superiors, just basically told 'get out there and do what you can do'. At least one cop had said that the lax leadership was "scary". Pretty bad form on the leaders.
It also sounds like there were a few hundred special 'riot police'. I don't know if they were counted in the 1200 or if they were extra. But the specials were the only ones who had riot control outfits and gear to handle rioters and all the rest of the cops were basically naked...no riot attire or riot/crowd control devices. More bad form on the leaders.
I took what I read to mean the 'riot police' were in tactical gear and ready in reserve like a SWAT team, but not patrolling.
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I took what I read to mean the 'riot police' were in tactical gear and ready in reserve like a SWAT team, but not patrolling.
That link talks about three different groups of cops: the regular cops, the CDU team (riot control unit) and the Containment Emergency Response Team (CERT-Swat). It says that CERT was not supposed to be there until 2:30pm. Apparently many in the CDU team were there at the beginning or shortly after. It also sounds like many cops, in all three groups, were off duty and not called back in.
Over 400 officers not there for a well publicized threat of violence is not a smart move. NYPD eliminated vacations and had all hands on deck during the Floyd protests/riots.
If this committee is about preventing this from ever happening again, they surely also need to look at the failure of security in addition to looking at Trump's role.
But I sincerely doubt we will hear a peep about the security failure part of it.
Over 400 officers not there for a well publicized threat of violence is not a smart move. NYPD eliminated vacations and had all hands on deck during the Floyd protests/riots.
If this committee is about preventing this from ever happening again, they surely also need to look at the failure of security in addition to looking at Trump's role.
But I sincerely doubt we will hear a peep about the security failure part of it.
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Originally Posted by ansible90
They were possibly the night shift.
I take it you didn't read the article by Roll Call that had previously been linked.
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