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Old 06-26-2022, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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not completely true....they can have severe restrictions...of course, you tried to make it seem like a free for all

only France has no restrictions......Israel - to preserve mental/physical health....Ireland - to save the mother's life

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ion-is-illegal
Yes they have restrictions but not a ban.

 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:01 AM
 
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Some ways back, someone posted that it is not necessary to plan for who will care for these children as their mothers and fathers will be caring for them.

Which is good to know, particularly when the parents themselves have decided they are unable or unwilling to care for another child.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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Some ways back, someone posted that it is not necessary to plan for who will care for these children as their mothers and fathers will be caring for them.

Which is good to know, particularly when the parents themselves have decided they are unable or unwilling to care for another child.
Then he should go get the Big Snip. Or the irresponsible two of them should stop having sex. Intercourse causes pregnancy unless precautions are taken. Those "precautions" do not include slaughtering the child in the womb.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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As Alito points out in his published Opinion, the original Roe decision was badly decided and completely groundless, relying on "penumbras and emanations" from other equally-groundless cases. The only parts of the Constitution that even come close to addressing abortion, are the ones that declare no one can be deprived of life without due process of law.

The party of abortion advocates has always dealt with this in the same inhumanly bizarre way they dealt with slavery a few hundred years ago: By announcing that the people in question are not "people" at all, and can be disposed of in ways little different from taking out unwanted trash.

Finally that complete mess of "jurisprudence" has been returned to the trash bin where it belongs, and the decision-making power returned to "the states and the people" as the Constitution has always required. And the battles will resume there, no longer in Washington DC.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/abortio...m_medium=email

Abortion Goes Back to the People
In Dobbs, the Supreme Court finally corrects its historic mistake in Roe v. Wade.

by The Editorial Board
June 24, 2022 6:45 pm ET

Can America still settle its political conflicts democratically, and peacefully? We’re about to find out after the Supreme Court Friday overturned Roe v. Wade and returned the profound moral issue of abortion to the states and democratic assent, where it has always belonged.

Critics say the Court’s 6-3 decision in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization is rule by unelected judges. But Roe itself was the real “exercise of raw judicial power,” as Justice Byron White put it in dissent in 1973. That’s when seven Justices claimed to find a constitutional right to abortion that is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution and had no history in American common law. The Court on Friday finally corrected its mistake, which has damaged the legitimacy of the Court and inflamed our politics for 49 years.

Justice Alito’s majority opinion hews closely to his draft, and it is a careful, thoughtful survey of abortion law and its history in the constitutional order. His opinion takes apart, brick by logical brick, the reasoning of Roe and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, the other main abortion precedent the Court overrules in Dobbs.
RvW was 7-2 of mostly conservative justices, Casey reaffirming was 5-4 but now they found 5 justices so they can discard 50 years of history. Just ruling on Dobbs wasn't enough they needed a complete ban on abortion. Dobbs started out as 15 week limit and suddenly turned into overturning when RBG died, is that the way we want future courts to work, wait until you have your team and then go after precedent.

Suddenly overturning 50 years of history that impacts lives should be taken seriously, overturning precedent set by 12 previous justices should not be taken lightly. Abortion isn't going back to the people, it's going back to the government.

Rather amusing for the WSJ to ask can't we settle our conflicts democratically when we arrived at this place when Mitch McConnell took away two supreme court picks that rightfully belonged to democratic presidents.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:11 AM
 
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some of you guys act like abortions have been some big free for all......

every state....every one of them...has restrictions on abortions....most of them serious restrictions

look at this and wise up > https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...-abortion-laws
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:13 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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some of you guys act like abortions have been some big free for all......

every state....every one of them...has restrictions on abortions....most of them serious restrictions

look at this and wise up > https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...-abortion-laws
Very true. SC is one of them. Only 5000 total abortions in SC in 2020 with a population of 5 million.

The enraged seem to think millions upon millions of abortions are performed every day.

SC is going with the heartbeat law...first trimester.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:14 AM
 
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Then he should go get the Big Snip. Or the irresponsible two of them should stop having sex. Intercourse causes pregnancy unless precautions are taken. Those "precautions" do not include slaughtering the child in the womb.
Yes! People in the olden days (pioneers, the Great Depression, etc, immigrants who moved to the USA in 1920's who had to live in tenements etc) they were poor, had a bunch of kids, and they found a way to survive. One major method was they worked very hard, i.e. Irish built the train tracks, the tunnels (like the Holland Tunnel in NY); and Panama Canal, very dangerous work with dynamite, typhoid and other diseases, many died working. but yet they found a way, there was no birth control back then. old pictured show them with 6 kids living in a one room tenement.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:15 AM
 
Location: 23.7 million to 162 million miles North of Venus
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Yes they have restrictions but not a ban.
So, you are good with "restrictions", since you're touting the places that have them.

I know your leftist media headlines love screaming ban, but which states have a complete and total ban on abortions? I don't think there are any. There are states that have stronger "restrictions" on abortion but not a total ban.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:20 AM
 
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Then he should go get the Big Snip. Or the irresponsible two of them should stop having sex. Intercourse causes pregnancy unless precautions are taken. Those "precautions" do not include slaughtering the child in the womb.
I don't think you understand what the deal is here.

There are a lot of irresponsible people in the world. I know this is a disappointment to those of you who are perfect in every way. But that's a fact.

Forcing irresponsible people into raising children they don't want seems a poor solution to the problem.
 
Old 06-26-2022, 11:21 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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RvW was 7-2 of mostly conservative justices, Casey reaffirming was 5-4 but now they found 5 justices so they can discard 50 years of history. Just ruling on Dobbs wasn't enough they needed a complete ban on abortion. Dobbs started out as 15 week limit and suddenly turned into overturning when RBG died, is that the way we want future courts to work, wait until you have your team and then go after precedent.

Suddenly overturning 50 years of history that impacts lives should be taken seriously, overturning precedent set by 12 previous justices should not be taken lightly. Abortion isn't going back to the people, it's going back to the government.

Rather amusing for the WSJ to ask can't we settle our conflicts democratically when we arrived at this place when Mitch McConnell took away two supreme court picks that rightfully belonged to democratic presidents.
I bet you wish the MS limit of 15 weeks wasn't challenged in SCOTUS don't ya? The pro-choice crowd got greedy about upholding viability laws that were extremely outdated due to advances in science.

As for your 7-2 conservative leaning court back in 1973, back then there was little philosophical differences between Republicans and Democrats. A liberal/democrat back then would be right-center in today's environment.

Those picks do not rightfully belong to anybody, the Senate is not bounded to rubber stamp any nominee the president tries to sent to SCOTUS. You need to take a Civics class.
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