Do women need to take more responsibility for their sexual health? (statistics, abortions)

[hothulamaui]

Originally Posted by newtovenice

It's a perfect analogy.

Woman knowingly takes something into her body that could have a very specific result to her body.

It's exactly the same as asking: Do you think it's a good idea for a woman to have unprotected sex when she knows she could get pregnant?

Do you think when a woman ends up in the ER because she voluntarily eats a lobster when she knows she is allergic that she made a good decision?

In your mind I’m sure it is a perfect analogy, it isn’t. A shellfish reaction isn’t comparable to pregnancy.

[hothulamaui]

Originally Posted by newtovenice

If the reason is I can't afford it, why doesn't she just get another job? Problem solved directly.

If the reason is I hate my boyfriend, why doesn't she just get a new boyfriend? Problem solved directly.

if the reason is I want to finish school, why doesn't she just sign up for class that start a year from now? Problem solved directly.

If the reason I don't have insurance, why doesn't she just go apply for Medicaid? Problem solved directly.

I can post a billion other examples. It's amazing how all these women with a billion different "reasons" find the same answer!!!!! How does THAT happen???

Because the reason for abortion has nothing to do with the above. Abortion kills humans. You can hide behind it all day long, but that is what abortion does.

Define it as you like. Women know what abortion is. Women still abort.

[newtovenice]

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

In your mind I’m sure it is a perfect analogy, it isn’t. A shellfish reaction isn’t comparable to pregnancy.

It's the exact same analogy.

Would you say that a woman who eats lobster knowing she is allergic is doing a smart thing?

Would you say that a woman who engages in sex knowing she is not protected from pregnancy is doing a smart thing?

The results are ending up possibly in the ER or possibly getting pregnant. Both instances affect the woman.

Are you denying that both actions affect the woman? Yes or no. Simple question.

[newtovenice]

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

Define it as you like. Women know what abortion is. Women still abort.

Yes they do. And all abortion are for the same single reason: To kill the human.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

Everyone agrees men should be responsible but the don’t/won’t because as you said the women get pregnant. That attitude has to change. Man and woman together are pregnant, they are both responsible. It’s his child. Allowing the idea to continue it’s on women and the man can relinquish his responsibility is wrong. Change that attitude and behavior will go a long way in curbing unwanted or unplanned pregnancy.

Or, women could simply say no when a man won’t use birth control, or they could use birth control themselves due to them being the ones that get pregnant.

Good luck with that as that’s not always reality, so instead of taking the chance that the man isn’t going to stick around, use birth control or just say no. Men can’t get pregnant.

[newtovenice]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Or, women could simply say no when a man won’t use birth control, or they could use birth control themselves due to them being the ones that get pregnant.

Good luck with that as that’s not always reality, so instead of taking the chance that the man isn’t going to stick around, use birth control or just say no. Men can’t get pregnant.

It appears that poster would encourage a woman with a shellfish allergy to voluntarily eat that lobster despite the fact that she could end up in the ER.

Just like woman who doesn't use BC despite the fact that she could end up pregnant


No need at all for responsibility or self control.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by newtovenice

It appears that poster would encourage a woman with a shellfish allergy to voluntarily eat that lobster despite the fact that she could end up in the ER.

Just like woman who doesn't use BC despite the fact that she could end up pregnant


No need at all for responsibility or self control.

Bingo…They’re more interested in blaming meanie men than women taking responsibility for consequences that can occur.

[hothulamaui]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Or, women could simply say no when a man won’t use birth control, or they could use birth control themselves due to them being the ones that get pregnant.

Good luck with that as that’s not always reality, so instead of taking the chance that the man isn’t going to stick around, use birth control or just say no. Men can’t get pregnant.

The reality is human nature and values. After common sense education and behavior. People should keep their nose out of others sex lives and how women in particular, control their reproduction when the same isn’t expected for men.

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by hothulamaui

The reality is human nature and values. After common sense education and behavior. People should keep their nose out of others sex lives and how women in particular, control their reproduction when the same isn’t expected for men.

By your logic things will remain status quo, as blaming men, versus women not taking responsibility because they’re the ones that get pregnant, will continue to result in huge numbers of unwanted pregnancies.

[suzy_q2010]

Originally Posted by InformedConsent

Again, your statistic is WRONG (I gave details and a link explaining how), and higher-income women have the highest abortion rate for unintended pregnancies. You'd have to be daft to think that higher-income women are not capable of making good choices or being responsible 100% of the time. They're just being careless and don't mind killing a human life solely for the sake of their own convenience.

Despite the rate you are quoting, more affluent women have fewer unintended pregnancies and therefore fewer abortions overall.