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View Poll Results: Do women need to take more responsiblity for their sexual health?
Yes 192 75.29%
No 59 23.14%
Not Sure 4 1.57%
Voters: 255. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-21-2022, 06:04 AM
 
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Originally Posted by suzy_q2010 View Post
https://slate.com/human-interest/201...egnancies.html

"These statistics matter because they underline the one unchanging truth about the abortion rate: The only reliable way to lower the overall number of abortions women get is to make contraception accessible and affordable. Study after study shows this. Reducing abortion access isn’t just cruel but ineffective. Middle-class women may abort more of their pregnancies, but since they get pregnant way less often, they still have fewer abortions overall. Discouraging abortion just doesn’t work nearly as well as preventing unintended pregnancy in the first place.
Contraception IS easily accessible and frequently, FREE. Federal taxpayers fund over 4,000 Title X Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US. My smaller than average red state has 112, all administered by county health departments. Meanwhile, Planned Parenthood has only 9 clinics in my state, all located in large cities that already have multiple Title X FP clinics so I don't know why they're even there. They're redundant.

Birth control IS easy to access. The problem is a significant number of women just don't bother to get it and/or use it, even if they don't want to get pregnant. That accounts for over 96% of the 930,000 abortions per year. Failure to consistently use birth control. It's a problem that's easy to fix, yet far too many girls/women just won't take the initiative to do so.

I don't get that, at all... There are over 4,000 taxpayer-funded Title X Family Planning Clinics located throughout the US but only 272 abortion clinics (in 2019, likely less now) in the US.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/healt...rnd/index.html

WHY girls/women make things much harder on themselves by not accessing and using free/low-cost birth control when they don't want to get pregnant and instead put themselves in the position of having to get to the much more inaccessible and costly abortion clinics is a mystery. Why do that to themselves? And deliberately?

 
Old 08-21-2022, 06:14 AM
 
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Originally Posted by kj1065 View Post
Do men need to take better care of their sexual health? I mean, they have condoms and abstinence at their disposal. Why are they "accidentally" impregnating women given the financial and emotional support to which it obligates them?
Because the obscenely misogynistic pro-abortion cult fully believes in letting men off the hook for their actions.

Men: "Oh, you're pregnant? No problem. You can just get an abortion."

Pro-abortion cult: "Absolutely! 100%! YAY for us!"
 
Old 08-22-2022, 07:16 AM
 
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That belies the fact that the highest-income women have the highest abortion rate, BY FAR (I've already posted the Brookings Institution stats). There's no way you can claim they're simultaneously high income AND somehow disadvantaged due to education, genetics, environment, addiction, intelligence, etc. factors.
First of all, income has nothing to do with what I said. Fact: abortions have decreased since the highest number in 1990; 1,608,800 GI, 1,429,247 CDC, to 930,160, GI/629,898 CDC in 2020. The lowest number being in 2017. As well both the birth rate (15.57 to 11.99) and fertility rate (1.91 to 1.78)have been in decline. There is nothing else that this can indicate except women are having fewer pregnancies, both wanted and unwanted, and more women using BC correctly and consistently.

Never, never, never going to get a 100%. There are people that just aren't capable for whatever reason, education, genetics, environment, addiction, intelligence. Just like there are always going to be those who are perpetually unemployed and/or poor, those who become addicted to drugs, alcoholics, have medical issues due to diet, stay in bad relationships, become criminals, generally make bad decisions, etc.


Second, you are wrong. All statistics say the majority of abortions are sought by lower income women:

The end of Roe will create more inequality of opportunity for children (brookings.edu)
How will children’s lives be affected?
Women who seek abortions are more likely to be living below the poverty line, to already have children, and to be experiencing a disruptive life event, like a job loss or breakup of a relationship, which are not ideal circumstances for caring for a child. One famous study showed that women who sought an abortion but were denied one fared worse when compared to a similar group that terminated their pregnancy. Adverse consequences for these women included financial hardships, health complications, and other deleterious effects, such as the need to remain in an abusive relationship or raise a child alone, which are likely to affect their child’s well-being.

Population Group Abortion Rates and Lifetime Incidence of Abortion: United States, 2008–2014 | Guttmacher Institute
Results
Between 2008 and 2014, the abortion rate declined 25%, from 19.4 to 14.6 per 1000 women aged 15 to 44 years. The abortion rate for adolescents aged 15 to 19 years declined 46%, the largest of any group. Abortion rates declined for all racial and ethnic groups but were larger for non-White women than for non-Hispanic White women. Although the abortion rate decreased 26% for women with incomes less than 100% of the federal poverty level, this population had the highest abortion rate of all the groups examined: 36.6. If the 2014 age-specific abortion rates prevail, 24% of women aged 15 to 44 years in that year will have an abortion by age 45 years.

59% Of Women Seeking Abortions Are Mothers Facing High Poverty Risk (forbes.com)
Who Seeks Abortions?
The research about who gets abortions really surprises people:
59% of women who seek abortions are already mothers;
Women who seek abortions are more than three time as likely to be poor; 49% are poor while the national poverty rate is about 12%;
75% of women who seek abortions are low income;
55% of women who seek abortions report a recent disruptive life event such as the death of a close friend or family member, job loss, the termination of a relationship with a partner, or overdue rent or mortgage obligations.

The federal poverty level is ~13K/year.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 07:31 AM
 
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Second, you are wrong. All statistics say the majority of abortions are sought by lower income women
Look at the statistics from left-wing Brookings Institution:

Women in the highest income category have the highest abortion rate.

Abortion Rates by Income Level, Unintended Pregnancies

Poverty Level: 8.6%
100%-200%: 7.8%
200%-300%: 16.2%
300%-400%: 8.0%
Over 400%: 31.9%

Figure 4, here: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._pregnancy.pdf

More than 90% of poor women who are unintentionally pregnant don't abort. They keep their babies. Only 68.1% of higher-income women do. Abortion is a higher-income woman's privilege. That's easy to understand as the 272 abortion clinics in the US (source: CNN) are FAR less numerous and therefore MUCH harder to access than the federal taxpayer-funded 4,000+ Title X Family Planning Clinics. And while the federal government hands out contraceptives for FREE to anyone who needs them, it does not pay for abortions. So poor women have to somehow come up with transportation (and a babysitter if they have other children) to even get to an abortion clinic, they then have to find a way to pay for it.

So which makes more sense for poor women (and all women, really)? Use FREE (or very low-cost) birth control that's much easier to get in the first place? Or struggle to somehow get to and pay for an abortion? Hence... the poll in the first post this thread.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 07:56 AM
 
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It's fascinating and predictable that the OP frames this as something that results from the actions of one person, and that one person being the woman... and then the poll results are completely predictable as well.
Actually, a woman IS in direct control of whether or not she voluntarily has unprotected sex with the consequence of a high chance of ending up pregnant. 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women voluntarily having unprotected sex, by their own admission (Guttmacher). I've posted that statistic and its source many, many times.

Lack of use or lack of consistently using birth control has an 85% failure rate in preventing pregnancy. For every 100 women having unprotected sex in a year, 85% of them will end up pregnant.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 08:02 AM
 
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It's fascinating and predictable that the OP frames this as something that results from the actions of one person, and that one person being the woman... and then the poll results are completely predictable as well.
Who else gets pregnant but the woman? Who else is responsible for protecting themselves from an unwanted pregnancy? Are they forced to have sex with a man who won't protect himself to?
 
Old 08-22-2022, 08:10 AM
 
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It's fascinating and predictable that the OP frames this as something that results from the actions of one person, and that one person being the woman... and then the poll results are completely predictable as well.
If a woman is allergic to shellfish and can possibly have reaction where she could end up in the ER, would she voluntarily eat shellfish, KNOWING full well the result?

No.

Yet she will have unprotected sex without a care in the world when she knows she can get pregnant.

Please explain.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 08:18 AM
 
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Who is exempt, other than eunuchs'?
Who is exempt from managing their overall health; diet, alcohol consumption, exercise, etc.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 08:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
Actually, a woman IS in direct control of whether or not she voluntarily has unprotected sex with the consequence of a high chance of ending up pregnant. 95% of unintended pregnancies are due to women voluntarily having unprotected sex, by their own admission (Guttmacher). I've posted that statistic and its source many, many times.

Lack of use or lack of consistently using birth control has an 85% failure rate in preventing pregnancy. For every 100 women having unprotected sex in a year, 85% of them will end up pregnant.
85%.... better odds than at a casino!

Bottom line, use birth control correctly or you will pay the consequences.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 08:27 AM
 
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Who else gets pregnant but the woman? Who else is responsible for protecting themselves from an unwanted pregnancy? Are they forced to have sex with a man who won't protect himself too?
You have to understand that there are several women (and some men) posting in this thread who absolutely think women are just too stupid, too inept, incapable of acting responsibly in any way shape or form, and as such are just completely unable to manage their own reproductive health so how dare anyone actually expect them to do so. They're extreme misogynists belittling women like they do, but don't realize they're exposing themselves as such.
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