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I've read several book chronicling the breakup of Yugoslavia. They went through hell, basically. But such divergent people cannot be forced to coexist. Arguably, they are far better off now. Sometimes it is for the best of everyone concerned.
If you think becoming Venezuela II is "winning" then there is no point in discussing the matter at all. That's only "winning" in the mind of someone who is quite insane.
Not necessarily stupid. More like irreconcilably divergent in nearly every regard that matters.
I've noticed most of you leftists have sort of a erroneous view on the matter. I don't want to be away from you because I hate you. I want to be away from you because we have nothing in common anymore besides a language (and not even that at times) and life if too short to waste it being around folks that make you miserable.
But I'll tell you what I do hate. I hate it when leftists can't seem to figure out that a completely dysfunctional and violent "marriage" is best ended in divorce. Nothing in common = best being apart.
I can tell you what I hate.
Nothing.
I’m not a hater. And I certainly don’t hate fellow americans who hold different political views.
That’s the big difference.
Ps. I’m also not stupid
Pps. We are not about to fall apart -The country will not collapse in 6 years. I’m calling anyone who believe that stupid. I don’t think very many people are that stupid although they all seem to be posting here.
Democracy works until it doesnt. The problem is that it seems like nobody wants laws to apply to them. Just the team or race or demographic i don't like. It's hypocrisy at its finest. If the south was cut off from northern money they would suffer. If the north was cut off from southern agriculture they would suffer. Free labor is NOT going to come back. That's a pipe dream. So how will the south survive? Brown labor. But it will come at a price. Just like it did the first go round. Your right wing utopia is just that. Closest you can get to it is Missispi and Alabama.
You're forgetting western agriculture. You know...the nation's largest supply.
It is a style of conservatives to want to believe they are fighting some big fight, to habe a purpose in that way. There have been many studies on the fear-based, distrustful and conspiracy-believing mentality of the right.
If you broke off you'd have to find someone new to distrust "in authority" and fight against in order to have an identity. How many times would you subdivide until you were just neighborhoods all eyeing one another with hostile distrust?
If the nation were set up the way it was originally intended, there wouldn't be a whole lot of authority other than law enforcement to protect individual rights and military for national defense. Read Thomas Jefferson's ideas for the country. That is the direction we should have went.
I use that imagery because it fits the situation. And, predictably, you as the abusive husband walk up to me and say, "You are imagining things, honey. I am not abusive at all. You just come up with all these bogeymen because your psychology ain't up to snuff. Now get back into the kitchen before I whack you one."
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Decide who is going where. Then figure out where the money goes. Does each person's FICA and SS follow them or is it divided up by amount contributed per state? Then who gets what.
If there is no nation, who gets the property owned by the USA? It cannot go to the state where it is located because all the USA taxpayers paid for it and the upkeep.
What about the military, property and benefits owed? My state promised a college education to veterans and their kids. What if there is no national military. Does that promise hold for Texas citizens in the military stationed somewhere else?
Just think about the property settlement nightmare. It's a stupid suggestion.
But come on down to Texas. You will love it. and there will be no liberal in charge for the next 100 years. I'll make you a great deal on a 5/3.5 updated 3400 foot house close to 290@1960 in Houston.
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Sorry, I messed up the quote feature.
Anyway, I would assume there would still be a U.S. And then the group that split off from them, just like the intention of the South in the Civil War.
If the nation were set up the way it was originally intended, there wouldn't be a whole lot of authority other than law enforcement to protect individual rights and military for national defense. Read Thomas Jefferson's ideas for the country. That is the direction we should have went.
I use that imagery because it fits the situation. And, predictably, you as the abusive husband walk up to me and say, "You are imagining things, honey. I am not abusive at all. You just come up with all these bogeymen because your psychology ain't up to snuff. Now get back into the kitchen before I whack you one."
There would also still be slavery and abortion and no female vote. So?
That abusive imagery is on you. Who will you be mad at when you don't have libs to be mad at anymore? Who is oppressing you when it isn't libs? What I've said about the conservative mindset is true, backed by science. (So is the liberal mindset, to be fair.) When there is no longer a "liberal party" to feel oppressed by, fearful and distrustful of, etc. what happens to you guys? You'll split smaller and smaller.
Maybe there is a lot more work to do on the part of conservatives. There definitely is if you want any unity at all in your new "non-oppressed" party which will quickly find new oppressors. But don't put your abuse issues on us. That's your own thing to work out.
NEVER trust democracy. Democracy is a vile system wherein a majority can legally persecute a minority (or tax the snot out of them).
And when a "democratic" election is blatantly stolen, the sheeple are told that "the majority has spoken".
Yeah, right.
Personally, I prefer the republican form of government wherein all men are created equal and have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate nor trespass.
Thus, no government, however configured, can "vote" away any endowed right of the sovereign people, nor take their private property, nor restrict their liberties... UNLESS BY CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.
OF COURSE, once you consent, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.
-The majority do not pay any net federal income taxes.
-That same majority can vote.
-The majority can vote for pols to increase fed income taxes to 85%+ if they wish.
So, even in a Constitutional Republic, the majority can persecute a minority, it doesn't have to be a Democracy.
If we are going to split into 2 countries, why not split into those who pay fed income taxes, and those who do not?
We could have an area for the left and one for the right leaning.
This way each nation could live how they want and be happy. I just don't want to live under dems in power any longer. It is downright miserable and hard to accept how they are destroying our country on purpose.
Let them have their own part where they can have all the illegals that they want, they can have no law and order and they can let a dictator dictate to them how they live. Do away with all prisons and let no one be arrested. They can all live off the government and take their handouts and have their free speech taken away. They can have all the abortions that they want. There can be abortion clinics on each corner like there are CVS drug stores.
They can cancel people/things and have all the new pronouns they want. They can have a person of color trans dictator and no white person has any power. They are mere lowlifes. They can have their own WOKE speech and go to town on all things WOKE. Let them enjoy their doom and gloom that they bring and want.
They can do away with all American flags. They can take away religion and any Patriotic song such as Star Spangled banner.
Then can all go buy electric cars with money the government supplies to them and pay high prices at the grocery store.
They can take away all guns so no one can protect themselves with their high crimes. Homeless people can take over the streets.
Why is this not possible right now? How do we get this started? I'm so ready.
Let's face it, we will never come together for the sake of the country. We have 2 different ideas of how this country should be. Dems want to destroy and Republican want to build it up into something great.
I'm not interested in living in the world of Biden, i.e. his cronies. I hate it. I would love to have the country split in two and lets have a sane person in power and we could have such a good place to live again.
Totally agree. I have no interest in any relationship with democrats. No compromise at all. I would probably have to live on a different side from 2 of my kids but oh well.
I can tell you what I hate.
Nothing.
I’m not a hater. And I certainly don’t hate fellow americans who hold different political views.
That’s the big difference.
Ps. I’m also not stupid
Pps. We are not about to fall apart -The country will not collapse in 6 years. I’m calling anyone who believe that stupid. I don’t think very many people are that stupid although they all seem to be posting here.
And the Titanic was the unsinkable ship, wasn't it?
I have been a pretty keen student of history all my life. It has always been an interest. I've read of hundreds, if not thousands of civilizations/empires/nations/etc that have crumbled even after being some of the most glorious in history. I'm sure the citizens in those societies had about the same attitude you do.
What makes you think we are so different from all of those societies? What makes you think it can't happen here? What makes you so sure that your puffed-chest confidence in immortality is anything more than Normalcy Bias?
From what I can see, comparing to historical societies, we are on that same cliff many other societies have been before stepping off the edge. My opinion is that you might just be like an overconfident Roman citizen thumbing his nose at the Visigoths streaming over the ridge outside the city gates.
You are basically calling history stupid. My opinion is that it is stupid to ignore history.
Will America cease to exist all of a sudden? Of course not. But will it be anything remotely like it used to be? I'll let you decide since you seem to have a crystal ball in your back pocket.
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