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View Poll Results: I support the right to choose
Only for abortion 4 4.40%
Only for vaccines 10 10.99%
For both vaccines and abortion 15 16.48%
For all things, including drugs and prostitution. 62 68.13%
Voters: 91. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-09-2022, 10:22 AM
 
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It goes beyond that. Mass vaccination is supposed to create herd immunity, so the virus is squeezed out of the entire population. This is an explicit goal of vaccination.
And that's working great, huh?
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:23 AM
 
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What happens if your body becomes a source of infectious disease that can endanger others? Are you willing to make an exception in that case? I’m not referring to Covid-19 specifically, but to diseases in general.

If someone is sick they should stay home. But there is risk if you walk outside your door.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:27 AM
 
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Agreed on all accounts. I don’t know why that poster insist that they are pro bodily autonomy when they are very obviously not.

So I am all for body autonomy. Meaning the government stays out of all of that. But if an employer says its employees need to wear safety vests or get vaccinated that is between the employer and employee and its up to the employee to decide if they want to work there. Just like the employer can say the employee cannot be under the influence of alcohol while working.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:31 AM
 
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What about employers forcing construction company employees to wear hard hats and eye protection? What about a municipality forcing firefighters to wear SCBA in fires and fireprotective hoods and turnout coats? What about police forced to wear bullet proof vests? It's all employer mandated protection. Some of this protection can cause other physical problems when worn.
None of these are put into your body. They come off at the end of the workday.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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So I am all for body autonomy. Meaning the government stays out of all of that. But if an employer says its employees need to wear safety vests or get vaccinated that is between the employer and employee and its up to the employee to decide if they want to work there. Just like the employer can say the employee cannot be under the influence of alcohol while working.
Big difference between wearing a vest vs injecting oneself in order to remain employed.

What if the government tells employers that they must mandate vaccines? Are you still for it? What if a state funded university forces vaccines for students? Still ok?
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:33 AM
 
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This conundrum is common among Americans who were indoctrinated by the world's greatest propaganda ministry.

Few are aware that under the republican form, ALL MEN are created equal (before the law, none higher) and have CREATOR ENDOWED RIGHTS ("natural and personal liberty") that governments were instituted to secure - not tax, regulate, nor trespass. The people are sovereigns without subjects.
-BUT-
Those who consent to be governed (as citizens) are subjects of their sovereign government. They have mandatory civic duties that abrogate rights. In short, shut up, sit down, pay and obey.

SO, the government that serves the sovereign people secures their rights, but rules the subject citizens who have voluntarily surrendered their endowment. (Even the USCON reflects this - people have rights and powers - citizens have privileges and immunities)

If you do not have endowed rights, you might politely ask your government officials ("public servants") to explain HOW and WHEN you consented to be governed, and thus surrendered your endowment, in exchange for their privileges ("civil rights" and "political rights"). Or go to your local county courthouse law library and read law for yourself.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:34 AM
 
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None of these are put into your body. They come off at the end of the workday.
It’s hardly the first vaccine that employers have mandated throughout history though. When I went to OT school, I had to have measles mumps rubella administered again even though I had it when I was a kid. If I didn’t get it, I would not have been admitted. The military has also required vaccinations long before Covid. But I don’t remember all these people being up in arms about it, because those other vaccines have not been so politicized.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:37 AM
 
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It’s hardly the first vaccine that employers have mandated throughout history though. When I went to OT school, I had to have measles mumps rubella administered again even though I had it when I was a kid. If I didn’t get it, I would not have been admitted. The military has also required vaccinations long before Covid. But I don’t remember all these people being up in arms about it, because those other vaccines have not been so politicized.
Thank you for answering that you are not pro choice or pro bodily autonomy.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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Thank you for answering that you are not pro choice or pro bodily autonomy.
I don’t recall giving an opinion either way in my post.
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Old 07-09-2022, 10:44 AM
 
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I don’t recall giving an opinion either way in my post.
You shared your support of vaccine mandates.
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