Can we please stop saying abortion is about a woman's reproductive health? That is crazy talk. (illegal aliens, drug)

[Colorado Rambler]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

Let's get something straight. Abortion is simply defined as the termination of a pregnancy. Put another way, it is the prevention of a human life from being born.

Abortion has NOTHING TO DO with the health of a woman, reproductive or otherwise.

Let me repeat:

Abortion has nothing to do with a woman's reproductive health. Let's stop referring to it as such.

Thank you.

I'm going to hazard the wild guess that you are a man, and that if you ever took a class in biology, you flunked it big time, earning yourself yet another "F."

While your statement is politically correct if you happen to be a Republican, its one of the biggest whoppers I've ever heard. The Republican war on science continues.

[foodyum]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

Let's get something straight. Abortion is simply defined as the termination of a pregnancy. Put another way, it is the prevention of a human life from being born.

Abortion has NOTHING TO DO with the health of a woman, reproductive or otherwise.

Let me repeat:

Abortion has nothing to do with a woman's reproductive health. Let's stop referring to it as such.

Thank you.

So then why does she see a gynecologist for pregnancy related care if it has nothing to do with the health of a woman?
https://www.webmd.com/women/what-is-gynecologist

Have you ever been to a gynecologist?

[Kristinas_Cap]

healthcare can be a choice, and a pregnancy is a choice, so therefore abortion is healthcare. that’s how they use words to promote abortion as a procedure. i am pro abortion, i think we need more of them.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by guidoLaMoto

A couple points--

Pregnancy can be very stressfull physiologically and psychiatrically on the woman. Pregnsancy leads to anemia, osteoporosis, pre-eclampsia, etc etc....Even without pre-exisiting medical conditons, a woman and her doc may determine that termination of the pregnancy is advisable from the medical standpoint. With pre-existing medical conditons, an abortion may be necessary for the woman's continued health.....Maybe "reproductive health" is a misnomer, but pregnancy is certainly a health issue.

There is no scientific defnition of "the beginning of life." Any attempt to form a definiton is a matter of fantasy....The traditonal defintion is that the indivual's life starts at birth.... The "potemtial life" argument is partiualrly stupid. With today's technology, any ovum, and with soon to be realized tech, any sperm is a "potential human life." Should a woman who allows herself to menstruate (ie- not get pregnant each month) be considered guilty of committing murder?...and what about a male's ejacualate that contains 10s of millions of "potential lives?"

The argument against abortion is largely based on Christian religion, and The Constitution expressly forbids laws favoring any particular religion.

As you may have deduced, I'm Pro-Choice (BTW- the opposite of pro choice is not "Pro-Life," it's Anti-Choice) but the recent SC decision wa corrct-- The medical procedure of abortion does not come under the exressed tutelage of the Fed Govt. The Feds should have no say in ther matter. No reason for the Feds to allow or not allow it. ...

..and for that very reason, any attempt by Congress to legislate on the matter will also be tossed out by The Court.

You're just assuming that. Many are opposed to abortion based on the Non-Agression Principle, myself included.

The Non-Aggression Principle, or NAP, is the belief that people should be free to act as they choose with the exception that they may not initiate force, or the threat of force, against another or their property. Like the Golden Rule and the Principle of Charity, the NAP can serve as a guiding light to help each of us navigate an ethical life.

Using abortion to kill is most definitely force used against another.

[g500]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

Let's get something straight. Abortion is simply defined as the termination of a pregnancy. Put another way, it is the prevention of a human life from being born.

Abortion has NOTHING TO DO with the health of a woman, reproductive or otherwise.

Let me repeat:

Abortion has nothing to do with a woman's reproductive health. Let's stop referring to it as such.

Thank you.

Does male mastrubation also prevent a human life from being born? Does any form of sex that does not have the specific intent of procreation also prevent a human life from being born? Should the government set up cameras and tracking devices to make sure nobody ever does these things too? Should any male who wastes a sperm be punished?

The views stated in your original post will lead to a very controlling and very dystopian outcome for society.

My wife had to have two abortions (D&C). One at 10 weeks 2 days, and one at 6 weeks. It was heartbreakingly traumatic. Our only babies we have ever had, died due to fetal demise. However, it would have been even worse if my wife did not have access to the healthcare / medical procedure she needed to prevent complications, such as septic shock. It dangerous and painful to pass fetal remains on your own / naturally. I know because my wife went into extreme labor pain the day of her first D&C and it is a memory I would soon like to forget.

You own your own body, or you own nothing.

Personally, I think abortion without cause is very morally wrong. But giving the government the power to control people's bodies is infinitely more wrong and dangerous. Abortion should remain legal and available. Yes, I agree abortion should have rules, like, in general no abortion should be performed after 24/25 weeks (viability) unless it is a case of rape, incest, severe birth defects, mental health, or risks to a mother's health/life. Full stop. Do not slide the scale any more restrictive than that. That rule would at least make logical sense. It would be an honest attempt at compromise, I think. It would still protect women's rights, and it would also protect babies that were viable and had a right to life. Problem is, both sides of the political aisle would not negotiate in good faith to make a decent compromise like this, thus protecting human rights. Honestly, very few abortions are happening after this cut-off anyway. It almost always already falls under one of the exceptions like birth defect or risks to maternal health.

Let the government strip someone's rights away, and I promise you, someday the government will strip away your rights too. The questions I proposed at the beginning of my comment will become reality. Mastrubators will receive a fine or criminal sentence. Anyone who deviates away from procreationless sex will be punished. Nobody will own their own bodies. Nobody will have the right to privacy. Except the elite ruling class of course. They can always do whatever they want, because they have power.

Surrender your freedom and you will not gain safety or happiness. You will gain nothing and lose everything.

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

Abortion has nothing to do with a woman's reproductive health.

I disagree with this in the strongest terms possible, based on my own personal life experiences. It is fully and unequivocally wrong.

Also before you start thinking I am far left. I am not. I am an Independent. I have voted basically 50/50 for both parties. The two party system is set-up to divide us and deny us our rights and freedoms. Both parties are repressive and controlling. I stand for common sense, human rights, and freedom. Neither party seems to be acting in those interests lately. Overturning RvW was wrong. Women's rights have been stripped away and the government of each state has been greatly empowered to control women and their bodies. This is wrong.

[YourWakeUpCall]

Pro Tip: Fool-proof way to avoid health issues associated with pregnancy: Don't get pregnant.

Characterizing abortion as a women's health issue is like crashing your car into a tree while drunk and claiming the subsequent damage is a manufacturer's defect. The pro-abortion crowd can attempt to dress up their monstrous behavior with fancy phrases like "women's productive health" or "pro-choice" but it is, and always will be, just murder. They do this because they know there is absolutely no defense for abortion.

[Joylush]

Originally Posted by BigCityDreamer

Let's get something straight. Abortion is simply defined as the termination of a pregnancy. Put another way, it is the prevention of a human life from being born.

Abortion has NOTHING TO DO with the health of a woman, reproductive or otherwise.

Let me repeat:

Abortion has nothing to do with a woman's reproductive health. Let's stop referring to it as such.

Thank you.

Absolutely correct. I am generally pro choice but get irritated at some of the BS. It is a convenience to help you out if the consequences of your actions.

Healthcare is to make the body whole, keeping it working as it should. Ridiculous to hear “Why should men have viagra if I can’t have an abortion?”. Because one is healthcare “helping the body to work as it was designed to work” the other is not healthcare. It’s preventing a body from working the way it was supposed to work. Same thing with birth control. Abortions and birth control are nothing more than convenience items so people can freely have sex.

They have health care uses in some instances, but they are not generally healthcare. At least have the courage to be honest about what they are.

[Charlie&Rose]

Originally Posted by Kristinas_Cap

healthcare can be a choice, and a pregnancy is a choice, so therefore abortion is healthcare. that’s how they use words to promote abortion as a procedure. i am pro abortion, i think we need more of them.

At what point in the pregnancy is abortion ok with you? Is it ok when the fetus is fully developed. As far as more abortions, I somewhat agree.......only the abortions are years to late.

[InformedConsent]

Originally Posted by Kristinas_Cap

healthcare can be a choice, and a pregnancy is a choice, so therefore abortion is healthcare. that’s how they use words to promote abortion as a procedure. i am pro abortion, i think we need more of them.

Yes. 95% of unintended pregnancies are the result of women VOLUNTARILY participating in unprotected sex, by their own admission (Guttmacher). That's a choice. They've already made their choice to accept pregnancy as an outcome of their own actions.

[scarabchuck]

Originally Posted by ansible90

Abortion involves the woman's reproductive organs. The fetus is attached to the woman's uterus (a reproductive organ). It is a medical procedure. A reproductive organ's medical procedure. It has a medical code for health insurance payment. What else would you call it?

Abortion, or termination of a pregnancy.