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Old 08-25-2022, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
With all due respect, this is the exact same excuse why the Japanese Americans were put in the internment camp. They claim the japanese Americans were threat of national security and a few of them were working as spies for the then imperial japan government, so for security reasons, all of them should be put in the camp.

This is exactly why I don't trust the democrats. Something never changed.

Regardless how people think about trump, whatever they did to him is despicable and this is definitely one of the darkest moment in American history. Shameful
You know, he could have avoided all this if he had left all that stuff in Washington. He could have avoided all this if he had turned all the stuff back over when asked.

Your "Japanese internment camp" analogy doesn't hold up simply because they had no choice. Trump did.

It is not surprising that you can't recognize the difference though.

And it just isn't this situation. Trump could have avoided Jan 6 by not holding a rally in Washington. He could have avoided it by not telling them to go to the capitol.

He could have avoided his first impeachment by not calling Zelensky and demanding dirt on Biden. Could have avoided it by not trying to fire everybody over in Ukraine that was trying to be transparent about what was going on over there.

And it doesn't stop there. Trump could have avoided legal issues in New York if he hadn't cheated on evaluation of his real estate holdings. Perhaps it would have helped if he had turned over his taxes for public inspection like he said he would.

And maybe, just maybe if he hadn't demanded that Raffensberger come up with Trump votes out of whole cloth over the phone Georgia wouldn't be after him.

I could go on, but it is truly amazing that you and others like you continue to deny Trump's culpability in all this stuff.

 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Former Top Federal Prosecutor says Trump HUMILIATING ‘Motion’ can result in SANCTIONS for Attorneys

He pointed out that the filing wasn't signed by any attorney's likely in an attempt to avoid any sanctions.

 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Originally Posted by marcopolo View Post
What if people are against the theft of government property, including sensitive national security information? What if people think the loss of the peaceful transfer of power is a terrible blow to America, that inciting an insurrection and being a chronic election liar are bad things?

ly.
You mean somebody like Hilary Clinton.
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:51 AM
 
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It's a bit more complicated than that. There has to be evidence of probable cause. It's not just because someone says you might have committed a crime. That's not how it works.
With all due respect, this is the exact same excuse why the Japanese Americans were put in the internment camp. They claim the japanese Americans were threat of national security...
A claim is not probable cause.

The mass incarceration and relocation of the Japanese Americans was wrong and shameful, but it was not evidence based probable cause as in the case of seeking a search warrant. This is precisely why it was wrong and shameful.

The Archives knew what was missing, and they knew where it was. The process of voluntary recovery went on for many months, finally it had to be seized. The US government exercised great restraint in this matter, but the law is the law and the nonsense game Trump was playing had to come to an end.

Now we have the long and difficult process ahead finding out what secrets may have been compromised, if at all possible, and mitigating the damage.
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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You know, he could have avoided all this if he had left all that stuff in Washington. He could have avoided all this if he had turned all the stuff back over when asked.

Your "Japanese internment camp" analogy doesn't hold up simply because they had no choice. Trump did.

It is not surprising that you can't recognize the difference though.

And it just isn't this situation. Trump could have avoided Jan 6 by not holding a rally in Washington. He could have avoided it by not telling them to go to the capitol.

He could have avoided his first impeachment by not calling Zelensky and demanding dirt on Biden. Could have avoided it by not trying to fire everybody over in Ukraine that was trying to be transparent about what was going on over there.

And it doesn't stop there. Trump could have avoided legal issues in New York if he hadn't cheated on evaluation of his real estate holdings. Perhaps it would have helped if he had turned over his taxes for public inspection like he said he would.

And maybe, just maybe if he hadn't demanded that Raffensberger come up with Trump votes out of whole cloth over the phone Georgia wouldn't be after him.

I could go on, but it is truly amazing that you and others like you continue to deny Trump's culpability in all this stuff.
It's truly amazing that you just could not see the lame excuse they use to destroy trump when other politicians can get away with murder.
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:56 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Originally Posted by lilyflower3191981 View Post
I beg to differ.

The national security threat is the exact excuse why they put somebody like my relative in internment camp.

Kindly remind us what crime trump has committed.
Don't move the goalposts. No one is saying "Trump has committed a crime", yet.

A federal Magistrate Judge felt there was probable cause to execute a search, though, based on the evidence presented to him. The crimes under suspicion are listed on the warrant, which has been posted multiple times here.
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by Hesychios View Post
The CPAC golden idol in shorts and flip-flops was made in China.
Of course it was. Where else...?
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:58 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's a bit more complicated than that. There has to be evidence of probable cause. It's not just because someone says you might have committed a crime. That's not how it works.
What "evidence" is there that Trump has anything he's not allowed to have? We already know that:

1) Trump said he declassified everything in December 2020, before he left office.
2) Federal courts give POTUS wide discretion in determining which records/documents/materials are subject to the PRA, with a case challenging that discretion thrown out as recently as 2019.
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
You know, he could have avoided all this if he had left all that stuff in Washington. He could have avoided all this if he had turned all the stuff back over when asked.

Your "Japanese internment camp" analogy doesn't hold up simply because they had no choice. Trump did.

It is not surprising that you can't recognize the difference though.

And it just isn't this situation. Trump could have avoided Jan 6 by not holding a rally in Washington. He could have avoided it by not telling them to go to the capitol.

He could have avoided his first impeachment by not calling Zelensky and demanding dirt on Biden. Could have avoided it by not trying to fire everybody over in Ukraine that was trying to be transparent about what was going on over there.

And it doesn't stop there. Trump could have avoided legal issues in New York if he hadn't cheated on evaluation of his real estate holdings. Perhaps it would have helped if he had turned over his taxes for public inspection like he said he would.

And maybe, just maybe if he hadn't demanded that Raffensberger come up with Trump votes out of whole cloth over the phone Georgia wouldn't be after him.

I could go on, but it is truly amazing that you and others like you continue to deny Trump's culpability in all this stuff.
I also find it amazing that so many on the right excuse wrongdoing as though it doesn't matter. Did all their parents not teach them right from wrong?
 
Old 08-25-2022, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent View Post
That isn't necessarily true. Read the article I linked earlier. POTUS is under no obligation to preserve and hand over whatever NARA wants. What gets preserved and handed over to NARA is solely at the POTUS's discretion. Every federal court case has upheld that fact and so did the one in 2019.
Trump is not the president. It was his duty before he left office to get everything squared away and all documents pertaining to his administration over to NARA to be archived.
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