Lets face it. Trump has fractured the republican party, chances of winning 2022 and 2024 is ZERO (gasoline, highway)

[inquisitive2]

The next House, Senate and Presidential elections should be about bringing back law and order into this country. This should start with voting out incumbents and rejecting new candidates who are intent on selling out the country for power and money.

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Bureaucat

Based on history, I don’t believe that any party can consistently win the Presidency without winning the national popular vote, and in order to once again win the popular vote the GOP is going to have to broaden its base. Playing to white grievance isn’t going to significantly broaden its base in a country that gets more diverse every day. Put it another way; less white, less Christian and less rural every day. Of course, those trends are what scares R voters and drives them to extremes in the first place. Sort of puts the party in a loop by overly depending on the demos that we know will continue to fall.

This is the thing though. As America becomes less White, and less rural (I leave religion out of this because there are atheists who are voting Republican too), it just makes it easier to play into that. It's a catch 22. play into such fears, or risk losing some voters.

Appealing to such grievances will become easier as the demographics change. However, as demographics change, relying on such grievances will not suffice forever,

What you have mentioned reminds me of the political chasms of the late 1940s-late 1960s. The South is a good example of this. The Democratic Party has a record of being the party of overt segregation, at least in the South. However, at the 1948 Democratic National Convention, there was a split. The Southern Democrats were at loggerheads with the Northern Democrats over civil rights. The Northern Democrats were increasingly more vocal in supporting civil rights, where as the Southern Democrats were ardently against it. The Dixiecrats formed out of this. Well, the Dixiecrats lost. They could only win the Deep South. Southerners, particularly in states like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, and South Carolina, were growing more and more fearful of the slowly turning tide of the NATIONAL Democratic Party.

In the South, race has always been a major factor when it comes to politics. One quote worth noting.

"In its grand outline the politics of the South revolves around the position of the Negro".
-V.O. Key Jr., political scientist.

[Oldglory]

Originally Posted by davidt1

Was it an independent ruling by the Supreme Court? Or was Republican Party really behind that ruling? I would say it was an independent ruling by the Supreme Court, but no matter, the impact on the mind of the voters is the same. Yes, the Court did not ban abortion, but no matter, the thinking on the mind of many voters is they did. MSM will make it a national story every time a woman is denied an abortion and easily turns it against the republicans.

This Supreme Court ruling has unintended consequences for the Republican Party.

So liberal voters are so stupid that even though the SC did not ban abortion but returned it to the states based on the Constitution they still think they did? God help us then!

[green_mariner]

Originally Posted by Bureaucat

Based on history, I don’t believe that any party can consistently win the Presidency without winning the national popular vote, and in order to once again win the popular vote the GOP is going to have to broaden its base. Playing to white grievance isn’t going to significantly broaden its base in a country that gets more diverse every day. Put it another way; less white, less Christian and less rural every day. Of course, those trends are what scares R voters and drives them to extremes in the first place. Sort of puts the party in a loop by overly depending on the demos that we know will continue to fall.

2nd reply.

I talked about how race has played a factor in southern politics. One thing I wanted to mention is that the Black vote was a major factor. As more and more Blacks started registering to vote (against all odds no less), this started to alienate some southern Whites. And then in 1964, Lyndon B. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Let's just say that in the 1964 Election, Johnson won every state except those in the Deep South. He lost Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina. He barely lost Arizona (Barry Goldwater was from Arizona). Goldwater's lack of support for the CRA of 1964 was music to the ears of Dixiecrats. Then came 1968. Nixon lost the Deep South, but not to the Democrats. He lost to George Wallace, who ran under the American Independent Party, a far right wing, segregationist party. Most of the states Goldwater won, Wallace won them too.

And for anyone who claims the biggest obstacle to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the Democratic Party, go look closer. When broken down by BOTH party and region, REGION is a much bigger factor. Most southerners Senators D or R voted "no", including all 12 southern Republican senators. It was the South vs the rest of America.

Kevin Phillips, who was a political strategist for Richard Nixon, had this to say about the southern vote:

[All ] analyses of the Dixiecrat movement indicate that the ideological position of the Democratic party as the home of labor, liberals, and welfare-staters was as much a road to rebellion as the fear of civil rights legislation. . . .

[Oldglory]

If liberals and women want to be mad at anyone then be mad at the states that are limiting abortions not the SC for merely following the Constitution. Being mad at the SC over this makes no sense!

[Bureaucat]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

If liberals and women want to be mad at anyone then be mad at the states that are limiting abortions not the SC for merely following the Constitution. Being mad at the SC over this makes no sense!

The Republican Party campaigned for 49 years to overturn Roe v. Wade. They own this.

[Variable]

Originally Posted by Oldglory

If liberals and women want to be mad at anyone then be mad at the states that are limiting abortions not the SC for merely following the Constitution. Being mad at the SC over this makes no sense!

Pro-Choice voters are also targeting US House and US Senate seats, so that abortion can be codified into federal law. Also targeting at the state level.

[Bureaucat]

Originally Posted by green_mariner

This is the thing though. As America becomes less White, and less rural (I leave religion out of this because there are atheists who are voting Republican too), it just makes it easier to play into that. It's a catch 22. play into such fears, or risk losing some voters.

Appealing to such grievances will become easier as the demographics change. However, as demographics change, relying on such grievances will not suffice forever,

What you have mentioned reminds me of the political chasms of the late 1940s-late 1960s. The South is a good example of this. The Democratic Party has a record of being the party of overt segregation, at least in the South. However, at the 1948 Democratic National Convention, there was a split. The Southern Democrats were at loggerheads with the Northern Democrats over civil rights. The Northern Democrats were increasingly more vocal in supporting civil rights, where as the Southern Democrats were ardently against it. The Dixiecrats formed out of this. Well, the Dixiecrats lost. They could only win the Deep South. Southerners, particularly in states like Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia, and South Carolina, were growing more and more fearful of the slowly turning tide of the NATIONAL Democratic Party.

In the South, race has always been a major factor when it comes to politics. One quote worth noting.

Amen. I can’t rep you, but you’re spot on.

The 1948 Convention was a seminal moment in the formation of the modern Democratic Party. Representing the future was the young mayor of Minneapolis, Hubert Humphrey, who led the fight for the adoption of a strong civil rights plank. When the plank was adopted, the segregationist South walked out, led by then Governor, later Senator, Strom Thurmond of South Carolina. In 1964, Thurmond switched his allegiance to the “Goldwater Republican Party”, meaning the elements of Republican Party that opposed civil rights legislation. Thurmond played a key role in keeping South Carolina in Nixon’s column in 1968, rather than following Wallace, and the movement of the “racially conservative” Southern whites to the GOP.

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by DorianRo

Its a fractured party with constant infighting and no proactive measures to fix anything other than whining and the party hasn't won the majority vote in YEARS. Always playing defense. . You can bookmark it and take a picture, Republicans stand no chance until 2028 at least... Maybe 2026 if they get a bit more moderate and start to appeal to a broader audience

How's the facing it going OP?

Looks like a fun thread.

Let's see what page one has to say...

Originally Posted by ntwrkguy1

We will see what the midterms bring.

One thing there will be is a lot of scrutiny on the polling places. Democrats have proven through 18 months that their senile leader -- despite being nothing more than a very poor excuse for a teleprompter reader -- doesn't really have much in the way of winning policy, other than freebies. Yes, freebies will work on those who lack critical thinking skills (at least 80% of the D-party), but eventually moderates catch on.

Why do you think Biden chose to do the illegal tuition plan? Because nothing else he has proposed will bring him new voters.

Oh my my.

[YourWakeUpCall]

Originally Posted by Variable

Pro-Choice voters are also targeting US House and US Senate seats, so that abortion can be codified into federal law. Also targeting at the state level.

Sigh. Again. For the umpteenth time. The federal government has no authority regarding abortion, whether it be a ban or an attempt to force states to make it legal. How could anyone not understand this after the recent overturning of Roe v Wade? The 10th Amendment: Learn it. Love it. Live it. Willful ignorance is not a good look on anyone.