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Old 09-05-2022, 03:12 PM
 
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We already have unlimited visas for farm workers so what else do they want? The migrants leave after the season is over and that's the way it should be. What entitles them to U.S.citizenship? They would just move on to better paying jobs with less stress on their bodies and then we'd be back to square one again of importing more of them and creating an endless cycle of new citizens. Nothing wrong with visas for workers we actually need without making citizens out of all of them.
The seasons are sometimes longer than the H2A law allows, and H2A visas do not apply to livestock or dairy. The farmers seem to prefer to be able to keep the workers so they don't have to train an entire cohort of new workers for every harvest. Read the linked article. What would you suggest the farmers do when they can't get enough workers? Keep in mind that farm goods are commodities, and the producers don't control the price, and can't just increase their costs.
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Old 09-05-2022, 03:30 PM
 
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Where the Central American families are running from fear of gang violence

The Norway immigrants a family that opened a new artificial intelligence medical care technology and wants to expand the product through say Mayo Clinic in Minnesota and obtain green card visa and then expand a franchise into the US and improve American consumerism
No. In our legal system, all persons are supposed to be equal before the law, and that includes the laws of immigration. I should say though that in your example, one group would be seeking asylum, and the other is seeking immigration. The two are not the same, though the irresponsible media groups would have you believe differently.
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Old 09-05-2022, 04:36 PM
 
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The seasons are sometimes longer than the H2A law allows, and H2A visas do not apply to livestock or dairy. The farmers seem to prefer to be able to keep the workers so they don't have to train an entire cohort of new workers for every harvest. Read the linked article. What would you suggest the farmers do when they can't get enough workers? Keep in mind that farm goods are commodities, and the producers don't control the price, and can't just increase their costs.
I'd suggest that the visas include all of their needs but hiring illegal aliens is against the law and I still see no reason to make citizens out of any of them.
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Old 09-05-2022, 04:49 PM
 
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What about the workers needed in meat packing plants? What about the workers needed for the hospitality industry? What about the workers needed for restaurants? What about the workers needed for construction?

Where are they going to come from? Because all of those industries rely on people from "elsewhere" because there are not enough USA citizens willing to do those jobs. That is a reality.
Your reality didn't include any proof. We certainly don't need foreign construction workers as the illegals chased Americans off those jobs by working for less. When a meat packing plant was raided for illegals Americans lined up around the corner for those jobs. We could do without a restaurant on every corner that doesn't pay a liveable wage same goes for hotel workers, etc.

In other words, there are far too many low paying jobs in this country and importing millions of foreigners to fill them puts added stress on our natural and social resources and our tax coffers. It also creates overcrowded conditions and culture clash. All this nonsense just to make the rich, richer and feed an over bloated economy.

When are you going into the Mexico forum and dictate to them how they should run their country? You have no vested interest in ours anymore and you aren't a citizen of our country.
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Old 09-05-2022, 05:43 PM
 
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The seasons are sometimes longer than the H2A law allows, and H2A visas do not apply to livestock or dairy. The farmers seem to prefer to be able to keep the workers so they don't have to train an entire cohort of new workers for every harvest. Read the linked article. What would you suggest the farmers do when they can't get enough workers? Keep in mind that farm goods are commodities, and the producers don't control the price, and can't just increase their costs.
And not all crops are harvested at the same time. Common for migrant farm workers to spend summers in the Midwest and winters in Arizona/California Central Valley/Texas, following wherever the next harvest is.
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Old 09-05-2022, 05:47 PM
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Should be the SAME for EVERYONE. Period.
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Old 09-05-2022, 05:55 PM
 
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So the u.s is no longer a land of opportunity. Who knew?
Says who? It’s now a borderless globalist economic zone with plenty of opportunity to get mugged or shot in. Pick any major Dem run city.
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Old 09-05-2022, 08:50 PM
 
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And not all crops are harvested at the same time. Common for migrant farm workers to spend summers in the Midwest and winters in Arizona/California Central Valley/Texas, following wherever the next harvest is.
They can't do that with H2A visas, though, which are for a single employer.
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Old 09-05-2022, 08:53 PM
 
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Your reality didn't include any proof. We certainly don't need foreign construction workers as the illegals chased Americans off those jobs by working for less. When a meat packing plant was raided for illegals Americans lined up around the corner for those jobs. We could do without a restaurant on every corner that doesn't pay a liveable wage same goes for hotel workers, etc.

In other words, there are far too many low paying jobs in this country and importing millions of foreigners to fill them puts added stress on our natural and social resources and our tax coffers. It also creates overcrowded conditions and culture clash. All this nonsense just to make the rich, richer and feed an over bloated economy.

When are you going into the Mexico forum and dictate to them how they should run their country? You have no vested interest in ours anymore and you aren't a citizen of our country.
Well, not all packing plants are attracting American citizens for the work https://www.texastribune.org/2018/03...s-meatpacking/

Are you saying that 50% of restaurants should close? Why? That would put Americans out of work.

Asa for construction, where would Houston get 100,000 construction workers? Or are you suggesting that Houston homes should increase in price by 150% and take 4 years to build?

Too many low paying jobs? Where?
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Old 09-05-2022, 08:54 PM
 
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Says who? It’s now a borderless globalist economic zone with plenty of opportunity to get mugged or shot in. Pick any major Dem run city.
Republican run cities are no different. And crime is still far lower than it was in the past.
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