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Old 09-03-2022, 08:57 AM
 
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People who can work and contribute should be let in. People who will end up in subsidized housing should not. Those with criminal record should not. Pretty simple. Bonus points if you speak English. In any case, empires fail due to their own successes and getting decadant, lazy, and overprinting money, not because of immigrants, not really. It's a natural cycle as the successful forget about natural law and survival of the fittest and seek to have some unsustainable utopia where they think they can pay everyone to not work.
I am sure there are billions across the world that would like to come here to work. Should we just let them all in based on that alone? No, that's why we have annual quotas for legal immigration. It's to keep our population growth in check and for them not to have a negative impact on our own citizens such as having to subsidize their living costs, take jobs from Americans, the further depletion of our natural and social resources, creating overcrowded conditions in our schools, healthcare facilities, roads and neighborhoods.

Interesting that your think that only our citizens can have a negative impact on our society but not immigrants. By the way, most of our citizens aren't lazy and do work!
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:01 AM
 
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I'm not familiar with the example you are describing but, assuming it is true, it is one family. Why should that impact immigration policy writ large regarding specific nationalities?
I agree but surely you understand crime is much higher and the population is less educated in South American countries? Everyone should go through strict evaluation before entering. If your going to come into the US and cause trouble just stay out.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:03 AM
 
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Illegal aliens aren't plain ole "immigrants". They are illegal invaders and our country never has evolved or improved because of them and in fact it's quite the opposite. Seems like it is you and yours that are forgetting the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The former is acceptable but the latter is not!
But your definition of illegal includes everyone who has been documented as asking for asylum.

Technically they aren't illegal, they have been granted the right to remain in the USA until their claims have been reviewed.

To me an illegal alien is someone who has stayed passed their visa, or who has snuck in, is not on any government list as having their case under review.

For now they are migrants who have asked for asylum and are waiting for their cases to be reviewed.

I wish Biden had added 87K personnel to immigration services to process these claims in a timely manner. There are definitely some that should not be given the privilege of being able to work and live here.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:05 AM
 
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I have always felt that immigration should be a benefit to America and not a benefit to the immigrant. The immigrant gains by being a benefit to America and reaps all of the benefits therefrom.

This idea that we should take only the most misfortunate, and owe it to the worlds downtrodden to bring them to America for a better life, is complete idiocy.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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I have always felt that immigration should be a benefit to America and not a benefit to the immigrant. The immigrant gains by being a benefit to America and reaps all of the benefits therefrom.

This idea that we should take only the most misfortunate, and owe it to the worlds downtrodden to bring them to America for a better life, is complete idiocy.
I see it as a mutually beneficial arrangement.

And for the most part, it is.

But over the years -- various administrations at all levels of government have not addressed the issue properly.

Kicking the can...or building a wall.

It does little to address the source of the problem and how to deal with effectively.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:14 AM
 
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Just do it legally please. Is that too much to ask?
Bogus asylum claims aside.
Imagine a south side chicago family going to central america to escape gangs. Absurd
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:31 AM
 
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.. or call a cop.
The police in Central America are as likely to kill you as the gangs are. That's why people flee from there. They have no hope at all of a better life if they stay.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:36 AM
 
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Fear of gang violence is not a viable asylum claim and there lays one of the differences. One can always move to a different part of their own country or asylum seekers are supposed to seek refuge in the first country that offers that they enter but instead they all flee to the U.S.

Another difference is that those from Central America and Mexico fleeing here are the poor, unskilled and uneducated that are a burden to our society. Those you refer to in your second paragraph are not.
Burden? Have you known any Hispanics? They are some of the hardest working, most family orientated groups known. Want to look at who is successful? Invariably, first generation immigrants are more successful than many current residents. They expect less, work harder, and establish businesses and employ Americans that do not have the gumption to do the same. They often start with less, and get more.

The same is true for many East Indian immigrants that come to Canada.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:40 AM
 
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I am sure there are billions across the world that would like to come here to work. Should we just let them all in based on that alone? No, that's why we have annual quotas for legal immigration. It's to keep our population growth in check and for them not to have a negative impact on our own citizens such as having to subsidize their living costs, take jobs from Americans, the further depletion of our natural and social resources, creating overcrowded conditions in our schools, healthcare facilities, roads and neighborhoods.

Interesting that your think that only our citizens can have a negative impact on our society but not immigrants. By the way, most of our citizens aren't lazy and do work!
The disdain they have for American citizens while trying to coddle the world is reprehensible. Their fuhrer let the citizens of this country know his view on what he thinks about millions of Americans. They are quick to insult and belittle their neighbors, but want to “reach out” to any other nationality for feel good butterflies in their tummy who they have zero in common with culturally and linguistically. It’s sheer mental insanity.

The problem is they are lazy and project their ethic onto others which is why they can say nonsensical statements. The fact that a plethora of these “immigrants” rely on the government dole and drain precious resources and tax payer dollars is immoral and sickening. At no point in history have we had these many non-citizens coming into the country, it’s pure and simple Balkanization without the consent of the people. No nation has been this inept and stupid to put stress on it’s citizens and degrading their lifestyle while insulting them in the process flooding the nation with millions upon millions of conflicting cultures.
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Old 09-03-2022, 09:42 AM
 
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Illegal aliens aren't plain ole "immigrants". They are illegal invaders and our country never has evolved or improved because of them and in fact it's quite the opposite. Seems like it is you and yours that are forgetting the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The former is acceptable but the latter is not!
The country has been improved through illegal immigration. The Irish nurses that were here in large numbers, for instance.

Our immigration system is broken, and needs to be fixed.
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