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Old 09-03-2022, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The great irony is, our cities have ALWAYS been flooded with immigrants.
Since day One. How this country revolved. People just always forget that. Or want to.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:29 AM
 
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It does work but we need to put more emphasis on the economic trade offs of decisions made and ask ourselves if it is good for the US economy. If we are taking in poor refugees that can be a win-win but we need to fast-track them through areas of employment assessing where they are trained at home, so that source of compensation they work for by doing a daytime job, more than replaces resources being used to cover their welfare. This is the right approach. Sometimes we can be altruistic but when we go that route we need to ask ourselves what CAN we do to minimize the taxpayer cost of these decisions and not just wastefully pay for all their healthcare and housing and pose no required end of the bargain that they need to fulfill in order to stay.
We should not make it hard for asylum seekers to find jobs in America they are qualified to do because that’s not a punishment on them it’s a punishment on us to have to use taxpayer money to pay for their expenses for our own faulty logic of not allowing them work opportunity.

It is humane, it doesn’t drain American resources, and it satisfies the “I’ll do anything to come to the US”. Then focus on the “anything” part. Offer things like jobs they are qualified to take on right away, even serving army or navy or marine …. English immersion with Duolingo or language tools , etc
Ignoring your population to fund the world is not humane. If history has taught us anything, it’s your ideas cause the collapse of civilizations.

Meanwhile, poverty and lack of well paying jobs is business as usual for liberal types who want to be saviors of the poor brown class. It’s sickening.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:31 AM
 
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Since day One. How this country revolved. People just always forget that. Or want to.
No one forgets that. My parents were refugees from the Eastern bloc that came LEGALLY and waited years.

The problem with liberals, white liberals, is they think brown people need a savior and they are going to fill the gap. Economics, legal immigrants and society be dammed.

And as someone whose family is LEGAL immigrants, it’s insulting when liberals conflate illegals with legal support. It’s racist and is used to blur lines so liberals can use buzz words while ignoring us.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:34 AM
 
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Does it matter where an Immigrant comes from as long as they follow our Laws to get here Legally and once here they continue to follow our laws and become a productive member of our society and not a leach?



What I don't understand about the Democrats open border is that they are allowing Millions of low skilled people in that are only fit for manual labor. I have seen this in person where the men go out to labor in construction and landscaping and the women stay home with the kids and they often have a side hustle like operating a daycare, a nail/hair salon etc.. I wonder how they will feel when Biden' armed IRS agents kick in their door looking for their cut of the cash business?



As for the claim that they are fleeing gang violence maybe they are BUT what gives an Illegal precedent and preferential treatment by the Democrats over the citizen single mom with 3 kids that is forced to live in any one of our inner cities where crime is rampant and shoot outs in the street are a nightly activity? Can this family seek asylum?
Very well said, especially the last paragraph. These people don’t care about the poor, these want another group to exploit and feel good about themselves. The country and economics be damned. If they cared about the poor they wouldn’t flood the country with illegals costing states BILLIONS and depriving the poor here of resources. Hypocrite doesn’t begin to describe these “moral” stewards of the world.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:36 AM
 
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I thought it is based on quota,China being a large country is allotted a larger quota than say Taiwan,HK or Macao.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:38 AM
 
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We have our own deplorables and don’t think we can point fingers. Poverty levels are different, but for the most part, central n South Americans are worker bees. They invent, cook, create anything to sell n make money. If took the political and critical views away, given the opportunity- you would see they become very successful. But many are afraid of that.
Those countries are also producing amazing minds. Cures to cancer and other medical innovations. One kid came up with something to make clean water from something. I can’t remember. I am not for boxing people up and saying they this or that. Good n bad live with us all.
Oh please, what a stretch! The poor, uneducated and unskilled rarely are a boon to the economy. Those types aren't the ones with amazing minds who do you think you are kidding?
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:41 AM
 
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Oh please, what a stretch! The poor, uneducated and unskilled rarely are a boon to the economy. Those types aren't the ones with amazing minds who do you think you are kidding?
I don’t think these posters believe their own drivel. It’s just so white liberals can feel good about themselves without critically thinking the implications of their stupidity.

And as someone whose family are all legal immigrants, it’s insulting to listen to these types conflate illegals and legal immigrants as though we all share some magical bond. It’s bigotry of the highest order.
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:42 AM
 
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People who can work and contribute should be let in. People who will end up in subsidized housing should not. Those with criminal record should not. Pretty simple. Bonus points if you speak English. In any case, empires fail due to their own successes and getting decadant, lazy, and overprinting money, not because of immigrants, not really. It's a natural cycle as the successful forget about natural law and survival of the fittest and seek to have some unsustainable utopia where they think they can pay everyone to not work.
All of what you say is reasonable and part of the process. The problem right now is the 'surge' and the lack of resources to deal with it.

There was a family 'shipped' to New York City who have family there who own a business. There is a job for the guy but he has no permit to work.He has a job. Give him the permit. Let him start earning. The Dad refused to work under the table because he didn't want to jeopardize his ability to stay int he USA.

And most definitely the minute anybody given the privilege to work here and live here who abuses their privilege, they should be denied those privileges and face deportation.

When you get let in to the country because you have a job, you can apply for a work visa. That work visa becomes null and void if you lose your job. It has happened to families we know. Upper middle class, white, European. The company closes its office and the dad loses the job and while they were in the green card process, they had not been granted one yet - so they had to leave.

Same deal.

And yes -- you should be able to prove you do not need financial assistance from local, state or federal governments. (of course unless it is aid needed as a result of a tragedy such as a hurricane, etc.).
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:43 AM
 
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Since day One. How this country revolved. People just always forget that. Or want to.
Illegal aliens aren't plain ole "immigrants". They are illegal invaders and our country never has evolved or improved because of them and in fact it's quite the opposite. Seems like it is you and yours that are forgetting the difference between legal immigrants and illegal aliens. The former is acceptable but the latter is not!
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Old 09-03-2022, 08:46 AM
 
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I don’t think these posters believe their own drivel. It’s just so white liberals can feel good about themselves without critically thinking the implications of their stupidity.

And as someone whose family are all legal immigrants, it’s insulting to listen to these types conflate illegals and legal immigrants as though we all share some magical bond. It’s bigotry of the highest order.
It's not just bleeding heart white liberals that do that though. Many have ethnic ties to these illegals so they constantly blur the lines between legal and illegal as if they are one and the same.
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