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Why is he now being indicted for something he was pardoned of?
He was prdoned for the federal charges. A state can still prosecute him on state chargtes of fraud, which are different.
You are being stubborn in this thread. What source exactly could convince you that Bannon is guilty, since you mistrust so many media outlets? There is evidence that Bannon committed a crime, as determined by a grand jury.
Now Bannon has to see if they can find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a trial.
Those are all the legalities. What you ignore is the fact that Bannon collected millions of dollars of contributions to build a wall and didn't build any wall. Those are facts which even you can admit.
He pled not guilty, and would not do that if he was guilty.
People who have committed crimes frequently please not guilty, at least initially. They want to see how strong the evidence against them. Under our justice system the defendant has the right to force the government to prove its case.
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Originally Posted by trobesmom
Yes he would. If you plead guilty, you don't get a trial. You get a trial if you do. You also waive your right to counsel. Very few defendants plead guilty. Even the guilty ones.
I think pleading not guilty at an arraignment may be fairly common; I'm not sure. But the most common ultimate plea is guilty and the vast majority of cases are subject to a plea deal and never go to trial. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-found-guilty/ A defendant does not waive the right to counsel by pleading guilty.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
But I thought pleading guilty if you are guilty would make things easier on you.
Typically the reason people enter a plea deal is because they are offered reduced charges and/or a reduced sentence compared to what they may face going to trial. It's the incentive to enter the deal.
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Originally Posted by Good4Nothin
Ok, fine, evidence. But what one person considers evidence another person might not. And evidence can be faked.
The law has very specific rules about what can be offered as evidence, what can;t, and what is can be submitted to prove.
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Something about this is wrong, because, as I said, Bannon already knew they were out to get him. Would you commit obvious crimes if you knew you were a political target?
What one person might do in a particular situation is not what every person would do in that same situation. This argument has no bearing on what Bannon did or didn't do.
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Unlike the previous administration, Bannon can't lie all he wants and expect a pardon. It will be his burden of proof to show he is innocent.
Blago learned the hard way the feds have tapes and I'm sure they have Bannon red handed.
In the US the prosecution has the burden of proof to show the defendant is guilty.
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Yeah.
I mean, who in their right mind would ever say that evidence is proof? There is weak evidence, strong evidence, fake evidence, damning evidence, contradictory evidence, etc.
And, as I said, if evidence were proof why waste time and money on trials?
This is semantics, or perhaps you are believe "prove" in this context means proving the overall charge. That isn't the case. Each piece of evidence is submitted as proof of a particular fact that is relevant to the case, and as noted earlier there are very specific rules as to what can be offered, how it can be offered, and to prove what facts.
I don't know if its been shared in here yet, but I just found the new NY indictment of Bannon for this. Open it up and take a look at this. It details what all went on. You can see it's more than just a simple statement like "Bannon stole money!" The lawyers have to lay out the details in their original complaint.
FYI, In this one it says "Unindicted Co-Conspirator 1"...that's Brian Kolfage. As part of their campaign he swore he wouldn't take a dime, but turns out there was Secret payments to him and more.
I don't know if its been shared in here yet, but I just found the new NY indictment of Bannon for this. Open it up and take a look at this. It details what all went on. You can see it's more than just a simple statement like "Bannon stole money!" The lawyers have to lay out the details in their original complaint.
FYI, In this one it says "Unindicted Co-Conspirator 1"...that's Brian Kolfage. As part of their campaign he swore he wouldn't take a dime, but turns out there was Secret payments to him and more.
Part gut feeling, and part knowing how rabidly the Democrats have been going after Trump and others associated with him. Meanwhile, you don't hear much about Democrats being indicted. There was pretty clear evidence Biden was somehow involved in his son's corruption, but it got ignored by the mainstream press.
That little deflection you wrote about Biden happened while Trump was in office. Why didn't the DOJ do anything then?
Never underestimate the sheer stupidly of the criminal element. In Bannon's case there's also at lot of hubris involved. Dude thinks/thought he was above the law.
Trump didn't pardon people because they were innocent or based on evidence he pardoned them based on loyalty. Bannon and other Trump cronies thought they had a get-out-of-jail-free card as long as Trump was president.
The feds can't go after Bannon anymore but the states can. If Bannon is innocent he will have his day in court in front of a juy of his own peers just like anyone else.
Trump didn't pardon people because they were innocent or based on evidence he pardoned them based on loyalty. Bannon and other Trump cronies thought they had a get-out-of-jail-free card as long as Trump was president.
The feds can't go after Bannon anymore but the states can. If Bannon is innocent he will have his day in court in front of a juy of his own peers just like anyone else.
Trump pardoned people who had enough information to cook his goose if they flipped and talked. You’ll never make me believe he was altruistic enough to reward anybody for anything. Manafort, Flynn, Stone, Bannon - any one of them could single-handedly put Trump away for life.
As per normal, EVERYTHING is ALWAYS about Trump.
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