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Old 11-28-2022, 03:16 PM
 
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Gen Zers just want to stay at home and play with their emotional support dog all day.

Exhibit A...


https://news.yahoo.com/remote-employ...160300122.html
A better title would have been: "Gen Z has no problem stealing 4 hours of wages per day for work they don't actually perform."
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:27 PM
 
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Its absolutely pointless to commute to work just to connect to the same internet you have at home.,




Read this one,


In Bull S Jobs, American anthropologist David Graeber posits that the productivity benefits of automation have not led to a 15-hour workweek, as predicted by economist John Maynard Keynes in 1930, but instead to "bull**** jobs": "a form of paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence even though, as part of the conditions of employment, the employee feels obliged to pretend that this is not the case."[1]
The author contends that more than half of societal work is pointless, both large parts of some jobs and, as he describes, five types of entirely pointless jobs:
  1. flunkies, who serve to make their superiors feel important, e.g., receptionists, administrative assistants, door attendants
  2. goons, who act aggressively on behalf of their employers, e.g., lobbyists, corporate lawyers, telemarketers, public relations specialists
  3. duct tapers, who ameliorate preventable problems, e.g., programmers repairing shoddy code, airline desk staff who calm passengers whose bags don't arrive
  4. box tickers, who use paperwork or gestures as a proxy for action, e.g., performance managers, in-house magazine journalists, leisure coordinators
  5. taskmasters, who manage—or create extra work for—those who don't need it, e.g., middle management, leadership professionals




“On the Phenomenon of Bull S Jobs” was read over a million times and the essay translated in seventeen different languages within weeks."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kikzjTfos0s








My opinion is that computers should have obliterated office jobs the same way modern farm equipment reduced the number of farmers by 10,000%. One person with internet and a PC can do what took many people file cabinets mailmen typwriters and adding machines....


No reason for so many office workers.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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So, based on what I'm reading and what I've seen at work, it looks like the younger generation doesn't think they should have to come into work anymore. We've tried work from home at my company. It's not effective. Employees spent a lot of time watching videos and screwing around. I remember trying to reach my assistant during a "zoom meeting," but she was at the mall and had forgotten about it. Those kinds of stories are commonplace with other business owners I've talked with.

I'm looking forward to the recession to we can clear out the workforce and get people motivated to work again.


https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/28/busin...ess/index.html

Well, they don't have to go to work. Or course, they don't have to get paid either.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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A better title would have been: "Gen Z has no problem stealing 4 hours of wages per day for work they don't actually perform."
Once again, apply to capitalists. Writ large.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Madison, Alabama
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Its absolutely pointless to commute to work just to connect to the same internet you have at home.,
If having Internet access was the only issue, I'd agree with you. But - there are meetings that require worker interaction that cannot be done over Zoom. Working from home just isn't the same and physical presence. Not to mention the tendency for "workers" to goof off (such as the example of the woman shopping instead of working from home).
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:36 PM
 
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My Fortune 500 company decided to go permanently 100% remote during the pandemic, and now we are having the highest-grossing quarters in our 75-year history. Meanwhile, the palatial HQ building in the Bay Area where 2,500 people used to commute sits practically empty. I guess they know what they're doing.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Its absolutely pointless to commute to work just to connect to the same internet you have at home.,
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Assuming, of course, that you have the same internet at home.....but not everyone has unlimited, broadband, high speed Internet at home.....and further, really don't want it (oh, higher taxes, more people moving in, things like that)
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:53 PM
 
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Assuming, of course, that you have the same internet at home.....but not everyone has unlimited, broadband, high speed Internet at home.....and further, really don't want it (oh, higher taxes, more people moving in, things like that)

Commuter rush hour traffic stinks.


"rather than allowing a massive reduction of working hours to free the world's population to pursue their own projects, pleasures, visions, and ideas, we have seen the ballooning of not even so much of the ‘service’ sector as of the administrative sector, up to and including the creation of whole new industries like financial services or telemarketing, or the unprecedented expansion of sectors like corporate law, academic and health administration, human resources, and public relations. And these numbers do not even reflect on all those people whose job is to provide administrative, technical, or security support for these industries, or for that matter the whole host of ancillary industries (dog-washers, all-night pizza delivery) that only exist because everyone else is spending so much of their time working in all the other ones"

Pointless work metastasizes into more pointless work ! Fix roads and cars, pump gas, all these other people have to work to support the pointless work.

Like I said above, I agree that at least 50% of societal work benefits absolutely no one.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Commuter rush hour traffic stinks.
.........
Property taxes going up by thousands probably stinks more.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:58 PM
 
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. But - there are meetings that require worker interaction that cannot be done over Zoom. Working from home just isn't the same and physical presence.
Thats a very weak argument. Every fortune 500 company has more than one office. How do you think people manage to work with other people from offices in different locations? If I'm working with people in another office thats 1,000 miles away, whether I'm in the office or at home, my interaction is the same. The world is more connected than it's ever been. You don't need to do everything in person anymore.

Next time I get called at 3am because something broke, I'll be sure to tell them to wait an hour for me to drive into the office, because I can't possibly be productive enough at home to fix it.
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