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Ironically, the concept of "proportionally" will not only result in the loss of more Israeli lives, but also Palestinian lives in the long run. Israel already tried this strategy in the past when they got tired of missiles and raids into Israel, they call it "mowing the grass" , i.e. incursions into Gaza or Lebanon to kill the bad guys, which also incurs civilians casualties, and then leave for a few years and repeat.
After October 7th a proportional response is out of the question, Hamas must cease to exist. Hamas is not only a terrorist organization, but a fixed government body ruling over Gaza with all the infrastructure and economy that goes with it, with one simple doctrine - the destruction of the state of Israel.
Can't rep you again, but I agree and thank you for bringing some honesty to this thread.
Ironically, the concept of "proportionally" will not only result in the loss of more Israeli lives, but also Palestinian lives in the long run. Israel already tried this strategy in the past when they got tired of missiles and raids into Israel, they call it "mowing the grass" , i.e. incursions into Gaza or Lebanon to kill the bad guys, which also incurs civilians casualties, and then leave for a few years and repeat.
After October 7th a proportional response is out of the question, Hamas must cease to exist. Hamas is not only a terrorist organization, but a fixed government body ruling over Gaza with all the infrastructure and economy that goes with it, with one simple doctrine - the destruction of the state of Israel.
and it will produce more terrorists. Is Israel really that stupid that they dont realize their excessive murdering of innocent children will produce more terrorists with the hate it generates? And Israel wants the destruction of Palestine. Israel is no more a saint than Hamas. Takes one to know one.
and it will produce more terrorists. Is Israel really that stupid that they dont realize their excessive murdering of innocent children will produce more terrorists with the hate it generates? And Israel wants the destruction of Palestine. Israel is no more a saint than Hamas. Takes one to know one.
Wow, some drink the cool-aid, you sir have gulped ferociously.
Please go ahead and find a single case of a war where less children are "murdered" in relation to combatants in the last 100 years.
Please go ahead and find a single case where the suposed "murdering" faction kills less civilians per dropped bomb in urban areas where more than 100 bombs have been dropped in those urban areas.
Please go ahead and find a single case where any nation have gone to anything close to the lengths Israel goes to, in order to avoid civilian deaths on the opposing side.
Do you think the US, Britain or any other western country come close in any of the conflicts we have seen? think again.
Israel are of course not saints, but if they stop chasing Hamas at this point they will only kick more conflict down the road. The best thing that can happen to the civilian arabic population in Gaza is that Hamas gets so weak they lose grasp on the governance of the area long term.
All peaceful options have been explored, again and again... and again. With any method that involves Hamas not dying, the result have always been Hamas growing in power, economy and capability. All of which they ultimately use to attack Israel again.
Therefore, to stop it now only means to have to do even more later.
Wow, some drink the cool-aid, you sir have gulped ferociously.
Please go ahead and find a single case of a war where less children are "murdered" in relation to combatants in the last 100 years.
Please go ahead and find a single case where the suposed "murdering" faction kills less civilians per dropped bomb in urban areas where more than 100 bombs have been dropped in those urban areas.
Please go ahead and find a single case where any nation have gone to anything close to the lengths Israel goes to, in order to avoid civilian deaths on the opposing side.
Do you think the US, Britain or any other western country come close in any of the conflicts we have seen? think again.
Israel are of course not saints, but if they stop chasing Hamas at this point they will only kick more conflict down the road. The best thing that can happen to the civilian arabic population in Gaza is that Hamas gets so weak they lose grasp on the governance of the area long term.
All peaceful options have been explored, again and again... and again. With any method that involves Hamas not dying, the result have always been Hamas growing in power, economy and capability. All of which they ultimately use to attack Israel again.
Therefore, to stop it now only means to have to do even more later.
Peaceful options have been explored. Israel rejects them just as much as Hamas.
Let’s think about the current situation in Gaza.
No where to go. Aid is being limited from Israel, people are starving and the IDF is reigning death from above.
Let’s think about the West Bank. Settlers are constantly building new illegal settlements and abusing Palestinians. Palestinians who did not elect Hamas.
Why should anyone not expect a portion of the Palestinian population who survives this to not become radicalized? Israel is not interested in peaceful solutions. At least not anyone in Likud or to the right of them.
You want Hamas to be gone? You have to give the Palestinians some better options.
Peaceful options have been explored. Israel rejects them just as much as Hamas.
Let’s think about the current situation in Gaza.
No where to go. Aid is being limited from Israel, people are starving and the IDF is reigning death from above.
Let’s think about the West Bank. Settlers are constantly building new illegal settlements and abusing Palestinians. Palestinians who did not elect Hamas.
Why should anyone not expect a portion of the Palestinian population who survives this to not become radicalized? Israel is not interested in peaceful solutions. At least not anyone in Likud or to the right of them.
You want Hamas to be gone? You have to give the Palestinians some better options.
Well put. What Israel is also now causing to happen with it's barbaric campaign against Hamas is additional recognition related to the Palestinian cause...
"Spain, Ireland and Norway said Wednesday that they would recognize a Palestinian state on May 28, a step toward a long-held Palestinian aspiration that came amid international outrage over the civilian death toll and humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip following Israel’s offensive." Also when countries like France make their criticism of Israel publicly known, those who blindly support and defend all things Israel should really think again. If France is not soon to recognize a Palestinian state as well, no one should be surprised.
Fortunately, there are many Israeli's who are also protesting against Israeli policy most recently. Many but still not enough it would seem.
Nice work Netanyahu! YOU NEED TO GO! Or better yet, be arrested for crimes against humanity.
"An Israeli friend, **** just came back from Israel. He went to Kibbutz Be'eri, which was one of the hardest hit by Hamas. He did a tour, and took tons of pics, but a few things he said stuck in my head:
According to Jewish law, a body needs to be buried as intact as possible. A volunteer organization of (mostly) religious people, called ZAKA, takes it upon themselves to visit any site of violent death (terrorist, accident, murder, etc) and sort through the literal pieces, and group them together so they can receive a proper burial.
ZAKA is still operating in full force in Be'eri, Kfar Aza, and wherever else Hamas entered. When **** entered Be'eri, he noticed the stench of death, 7 months later. He asked how this could be? He was shown areas where the ground was disturbed, as if it had been rototilled. Hamas, after killing people, hacked them to pieces (or blew them up) and turned them into the ground, so as to deny them a proper Jewish burial.
Every kibbutz in that area has a QRF security team of volunteers, and an armory storing weapons for the team. Hamas knew where the armory was, and after breaching the perimeter, immediately set up a point of attack from a command position, and shot each member of the team as they arrived at the armory.
Next, they went to the area of the kibbutz where the 20-somethings who just finished the army return to, which is somewhat separate and their own little area, and slaughtered them. Hamas knew they're young, and fighters, and would create problems. This was a bloodbath, absolutely horrific butchery. They were chopped up and tilled into the ground.
Only after those two did they proceed to go house to house and kill, torture, rape, and kidnap. In each home, of course the bodies are gone, but the blood remains, and the forensics teams photos of each body lie or are pinned in the spot the body was found, as evidence of the massacre. rooms are riddled with bullet holes, grenade marks, hyperbaric bomb evidence, pools of blood.
**** has a friend who lived in Be'eri. He had a weapon and fought, was severely wounded and could not stand, sat in a plastic deck chair in a hallway, and continued to kill mother****ers. He survived.
There are still Zaka collection bags set up dotting the landscape in Be'eri, as body parts are still being found.
and it will produce more terrorists. Is Israel really that stupid that they dont realize their excessive murdering of innocent children will produce more terrorists with the hate it generates? And Israel wants the destruction of Palestine. Israel is no more a saint than Hamas. Takes one to know one.
If history shows us one thing, it's that appeasement never works against terrorists. Rewarding terrorists will produce more terrorists.
Well put. What Israel is also now causing to happen with it's barbaric campaign against Hamas is additional recognition related to the Palestinian cause...
"Spain, Ireland and Norway said Wednesday that they would recognize a Palestinian state on May 28, a step toward a long-held Palestinian aspiration that came amid international outrage over the civilian death toll and humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip following Israel’s offensive." Also when countries like France make their criticism of Israel publicly known, those who blindly support and defend all things Israel should really think again. If France is not soon to recognize a Palestinian state as well, no one should be surprised.
Fortunately, there are many Israeli's who are also protesting against Israeli policy most recently. Many but still not enough it would seem.
Nice work Netanyahu! YOU NEED TO GO! Or better yet, be arrested for crimes against humanity.
It's just symbolic nonsense. Ireland's anti-Semitism is well known (as it associates the palestinian cause with The Troubles), and Norway won't even recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization.
Even Palestinian residents are not in favor of a two-state solution.
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