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I don't have white guilt. I could care less about skin color. I care about real truth, not patriotic ramblings about how we were justified in what we did to these people. As far as shredding babies is concerned, of course I don't agree with that. I never said the Indians never did anything heinous or wrong. But they were fighting for their homes and land, not conquest. Both sides did their wrongs but at least the Indians were justified in their fight to save their people.
Your ignorance is staggering, but not uncommon. But if you look at the poll results I think you will notice that for the most part people do believe what happened was genocide.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that Obama can't count on a vote form the "Senator" here
You're attributing European characteristics to those Indians in question - is that not racist!?
There was no Kurkkawa nation with an economy, military, school system, bridges, industry, etc.
These were nomadic people, many of whom were cannibals, horrificlly tortured people for fun, massacured neighboring tribes and butchered terrified European settlers.
Would you say the same about the Jews and Gypsies.
Jews, yes. Gypsies, I know nothing about.
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Sorry, but the problem is that your real world isn't real at all. It is a world of domination and hate while the real world stands for peace and love.
Power corrupts. When a person is apparently all for peace and love, occasions arise where their gratification seems to outweigh the peace and love for the world... Then they cross that threshold a little easier and a little easier until they're just downright bad. That's just human nature.
As far as "the bad world not existing", I think there are a whole of Jews that would disagree... if they were alive to tell you. I think there are a whole lot of people in Darfur who would disagree with you.
Just because you place your head in the sand doesn't mean that reality is only sand.
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Those who choose to live in the real world find these kinds of historical events sickening. Those who live in your real world think that is just how the cookie crumbles. God, I hope I never live in your world.
The most tragic thing about your opinion is that it's exactly what everyone says not to do. I recognize the evil prevalent in history and make my choices in a way that minimizes it in my own little way. When everybody does that, we have a good world. However, you pretend like history can't repeat itself-- Pretending that it's not possible for these things to happen again and that they're not a part of the real world... while they're happening right now.
With all due respect, you need to get real. The world's is harsh and violent. The first step to keeping that violence on the other side of the door is to accept that.
Oh, I see Senator Palpatine no longer has any real comments to post so it's time to pull out the old insult handbook. That's fine, I was expecting it sooner or later. The fact is no, I am neither a professor or a pot-head. And I am truly happy with who I am. But that doesn't mean I have to be OK with everything the white race has done throughout history. But maybe that is because my gene pool lies only half on the European side. Care to guess where my other roots stem from.
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If you read up a little on the Holocaust you will find that Hitler was not just exterminating Jews, but also millions of Gypsies as well. As far as getting real, I don't deny that evil exists today in our world. But that is still not the real world. We live in a fake, material world where the few are out to have it all and the rest yearn for peace and relief. There is nothing real or genuine about the way the world is running these days.
Let's please get back on topic
Were the native Americans the victims of genocide by the United States of America - or else this thread will be closed.
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I find myself in bad company defending The United States against the charge of genocide.
I'll make something clear; I don't think any reasonable person can deny that the Indians were invaded and conquered and were the victims of gross injustice. I don't make light of what was done to them nor do I deny they had the right to defend themselves and their territory.But I don't think they were victims of genocide. Victims of war, conquest, disease and neglect yes.
However, and this is a big however, I was born here and here is where I'll stay.
I find myself in bad company defending The United States against the charge of genocide.
I'll make something clear; I don't think any reasonable person can deny that the Indians were invaded and conquered and were the victims of gross injustice. I don't make light of what was done to them nor do I deny they had the right to defend themselves and their territory.But I don't think they were victims of genocide. Victims of war, conquest, disease and neglect yes.
However, and this is a big however, I was born here and here is where I'll stay.
I'll second that..and remind others that so far, in this country, anyone is free to leave (unless you're a felon under court order). The sincerest, purest form of making amends would be to pack up and leave....any takers?
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