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Old 09-18-2008, 06:00 AM
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Since this thread wandered off the Pittsburgh path, it's getting moved.
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:18 AM
 
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wtg ***......................
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Hell with the lid off, baby!
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Should have been moved to the general Pennsylvania board
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Old 09-20-2008, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Southwest Desert
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We have 2 Indian casinos in our area and we can still smoke in their restaurants and bars.

I live in Arizona....Smoking has been "officially" banned in our state since May, 2007.

Our local "Denny's" is a "smoker-friendly" place. (Even tho we have to step outside to smoke.) They have 2 nice wood benches in front of their restaurant. (20 feet away from the door...as mandated by state law.) Our "Denny's" lets customers bring drinks with them when they go outside to smoke....and even food at times.

Other restaurants in our area don't seem quite as friendly to smokers...and we tend to avoid these places. (Don't want to be treated like a "leper!") We only go to restaurants that seem to have some compassion, caring and consideration for smokers.

Just got back from San Bernadino, CA. My son had to see a specialist at nearby "Loma Linda" University Hospital for his brain tumor.

In July, the city of Loma Linda completely banned smoking in their town. This is why we stayed in a motel in San Bernadino, instead of renting a motel room in Loma Linda....It's still legal to smoke outside in San Bernadino. (For now, anyway!)

Cities in CA are racing to see who can enact the strictest smoking ban of all....Pretty soon, they will have guards at all of their state borders to prevent smokers from entering California...This is the way it seems to be going anyway!! Thanks, Claire
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Old 09-20-2008, 01:47 PM
 
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The smoking ban was put into effect here in MN and it didn't effect businesses overall. Maybe some tiny bars closed but it wasn't a wide panic. Life goes on.
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Old 09-20-2008, 02:56 PM
 
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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I am a smoker for about 57 years,already outliving a lot of my non smoking friends. So much for the smoking kills and 2nd hand smoke retoric! When is the last time you saw 2nd smoke on a death cerficate? I think my point
is it that it"s a lifestyle choice, that has been taken away. I don't look at
it as losing because it is what it is! The only way I can get even is not to
patronise bars or restaurants any more. Think of all the money I will save
by eating and drinking at home, so I win and the businesses lose! This is how I will deal with it and in time they will all show a loss of revenue, which is a proven pattern in other states.
It may only be a lifestyle choice for you but your lifestyle makes it hard for others to breathe. The reason we have laws such as these is due to the inconsideration of a majority of smokers who do not care how their habits affect the air quality of those around them.
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Old 09-24-2008, 01:52 PM
 
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It may only be a lifestyle choice for you but your lifestyle makes it hard for others to breathe. The reason we have laws such as these is due to the inconsideration of a majority of smokers who do not care how their habits affect the air quality of those around them.

you sir,have bought the entire anti-smoking agenda propaganda hook line and sinker. I suppose you like to drink on occassion,you know your favorite watering hole maybe...........well they kicked out the smokers and thats not all they want..............robert wood johnson foundation is behind the bans along with much of the biased and psudo-medical community........well heres one for the drinkers out there.

NOTICE THEIR AFTER ALCOHOL TOOOOOOOOOO.

http://www.alcoholfacts.org/RWJfoundation.htm...

The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation has created a nation-wide network of temperance-oriented groups and individuals and has poured hundreds of millions of dollars into supporting the anti-alcohol agenda and activties of that network. For more, visit Robert Wood Johnson Foundation: Financier of Temperance.

http://www.alcoholfacts.org/index.html

Behind the Neo-Prohibition Campaign

The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation
By: Dan Mindus

America’s anti-alcohol movement is composed of dozens of overlapping community groups, research institutions, and advocacy organizations, but they are brought together and given direction by one entity: the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF). Based in Princeton, New Jersey, the RWJF has spent more than $265 million between 1997 and 2002 to tax, vilify, and restrict access to alcoholic beverages. Nearly every study disparaging alcohol in the mass media, every legislative push to limit marketing or increase taxes, and every supposedly “grassroots” anti-alcohol movement was conceived and coordinated at the RWJF’s headquarters. Thanks to this one foundation, the U.S. anti-alcohol movement speaks with one voice.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail... (broken link)

now after you get alcohol prohibition too,whata ya gonna say when I told you their comming after you too........................
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Old 09-29-2008, 09:40 AM
 
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Casual Smokers at Greater Risk for Alcohol-Use Disorders

WAFF.com: North Alabama News, Radar, Weather, Sports and Jobs-Casual Smokers at Greater Risk for Alcohol-Use Disorders

TUESDAY, Sept. 23 (HealthDay News) -- Young adults who are casual smokers are 16 times more likely than nonsmokers to be hazardous drinkers and five times more likely to have alcohol-use disorders (AUDs), a U.S. study finds.
Sherry A. McKee, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University School of Medicine, and her colleagues analyzed data on 5,838 adults, aged 18 to 25, who provided information about their current smoking behavior, weekly consumption of alcohol, frequency of alcohol use, frequency of binge-drinking behavior, rates of hazardous drinking, and rates of AUD diagnoses.

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Old 09-29-2008, 10:09 AM
 
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you see that new politically correct term AUD's their starting to hammer home on alcohol.......told ya it was comming,I would expect to see the first laws on this next year.
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Wilmington, NC
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the anti smoking people crack me up. it's as if they are incapable of making a personal choice on what kinds of places to eat and drink. I don't smoke, and I don't go to smoking establishments, but I sure as hell don't like government enforced bans on legal things. the ironic thing is that it's always liberals that support smoking bans, but those same liberals will patronize dry counties, or laws on buying booze on sundays. I love hypocrites.
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