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[harborlady]

Originally Posted by BigJon3475

There is much more to this. You don't torture someone if the only motive was financial gain. You don't rape the wife in front of the husband and then kill them out of pure greedy intentions. This has hate crime written all over it but of course if it actually was a hate crime it would never be labeled that because then you have people like Al Sharpton who will step in to cry racism.

Of course I am trying to think of this with logic which was obviously not part of this crime.

Big jon no details about what was torture was revealed in this article, only that they were tied up. At no point was rape mentioned in the article. I mentioned it to distinguish 'regular' crime from 'hate' crime that can get confusing. You're allowing passions to fill in the blanks without facts. More facts are needed. Remember jury duty rules.

Yes, it's horrible. It's wrong, it never should occur, but there it is just the same. Some human beings divorced themselves from humanity and civilization with this act. These marines were implicated and if they're guilty it's a horrible smear of the marines failing to screen them out right along with them. If you believe for one minute something like this is acceptable to a man like Colin Powell, Cosby or Obama, you're kidding yourself. Criminals come in all races, genders, and creeds. So do honest people.

Equality means equal responsibility. This means that if women mean to have equality, they'll have to accept equal responsibility the same as men do. Same goes for every single minority in our country. Asians blend in and do better because they embrace that responsibility more completely. They succeed more reliably as a result. Minorities that fail to do that have a much worse time of things.

I promise you, I'm not blaming 'white guys' for my life or the ills of our country. WE inherited a mess, and WE are all responsible (like it or not) now. K? Justice should be blind, and we must keep that wise tradition of america.

[BigJon3475]

Originally Posted by harborlady

Big jon no details about what was torture was revealed in this article, only that they were tied up. At no point was rape mentioned in the article. I mentioned it to distinguish 'regular' crime from 'hate' crime that can get confusing. You're allowing passions to fill in the blanks without facts. More facts are needed. Remember jury duty rules.

Yes, it's horrible. It's wrong, it never should occur, but there it is just the same. Some human beings divorced themselves from humanity and civilization with this act. These marines were implicated and if they're guilty it's a horrible smear of the marines failing to screen them out right along with them. If you believe for one minute something like this is acceptable to a man like Colin Powell, Cosby or Obama, you're kidding yourself. Criminals come in all races, genders, and creeds. So do honest people.

Equality means equal responsibility. This means that if women mean to have equality, they'll have to accept equal responsibility the same as men do. Same goes for every single minority in our country. Asians blend in and do better because they embrace that responsibility more completely. They succeed more reliably as a result. Minorities that fail to do that have a much worse time of things.

I promise you, I'm not blaming 'white guys' for my life or the ills of our country. WE inherited a mess, and WE are all responsible (like it or not) now. K? Justice should be blind, and we must keep that wise tradition of america.

#20 I don't make things up or practice folly.

All of the suspects say that Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak was sexually assaulted, but each says it was the other three who did it, the papers have said.

[harborlady]

Ohh, and BTW, not to break up a veterans reunion, but when I was in gitmo it was pretty comical to get smears from navy about being a puddle jumper, but just let marines pick on me for jumping puddles, navy was all over them like white on rice. Naturally, I just sat on my stool and enjoyed my girlie cocktail while the MP's were dragging you both off. Thanks for the drinks fellas.

There is no anti military personnel sentiment in america. There's an anti abuse of the military sentiment. I opposed republicans on this war vehemently. It was a sucker punch to lure us and they fell for it. Surgical strikes are the only way to get terrorists without abusing our welcome. My loyalty is, was, and will forever be, with my brothers and sisters in arms. Not to party dogma or flavor of the month ideology. Media is messing with peoples heads to generate sensationalism. They're not legally obliged to tell the truth anymore. That needs fixing.

Recon, like I said in the beginning, let the marines handle this. I have every faith that if found guilty they'll not be mollycoddled. Death penalty rules will apply.