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We are just going to have to agree that we disagree.
While it is true that if the records prove he is legit, they would not be fodder for you. However, I think some people who do not want Obama to be president would continue in their quest even after this is provided. Or they would try to find something wrong with the provided records.
I voted for Obama and I couldn't care less about it. It smacks of desperation and probably a problem with racism that is so deep that these people can't bring themselves to accept the reality of a black president.
I do not think that you know enough about any of us who are disbelievers to be making claims like this. It's false imputation. I do not know you, so I have not attempted to label you in any way, so why do it to me?
He's going to contact him again and ask him if he will put it in writing on Embassy letterhead, and fax it to the site owner. TrueGritt, call yourself and ask the Embassy: 202) 775 - 5200
The Kenyan Ambassador stated that Obama was born in Kenya and then later recanted because he realized how that might hurt Obama. Why would I believe someone from the Indonesian Embassy?
If Obama would simply allow the requested records to be seen, this would end. Why wont he allow them to be seen? If they can help him, I would think a man with his education would see the benefit of that.
My suggestsion Mr. Gritt is that you read the constitution AND its defintion of American citizen. Even if Obama was born in another country OR in Hawaii at a time when it was not a state, he is still eligible to be President because his Mother was born in the US and was a Natural born American citizen.
Your grasping at straws smacks of desperation. He is the president, like it or not for the next 4 years that is the reality. Its important to live in the present.
As for your going on about his name, the reality is that it doesn't matter. My daughter could change her name as well, does that mean anything to anyone? She was born out of wedlock and carries my maiden name. She could grow up, reconnect with her Father and decide to use his last name, her name is Diane, she could decide to use Di as her name or the two middle names I gave her for just that purpose.
I think that you need to read the constitution because it is not clear on what exactly a Natural born citizen is.
Going by an phony name in certain situations can get a person in trouble, it is called fraud. If you ever get arrested and they ask you your name, you better give them a real one.
I voted for Obama and I couldn't care less about it. It smacks of desperation and probably a problem with racism that is so deep that these people can't bring themselves to accept the reality of a black president.
I think that you need to read the constitution because it is not clear on what exactly a Natural born citizen is.
Going by an phony name in certain situations can get a person in trouble, it is called fraud. If you ever get arrested and they ask you your name, you better give them a real one.
And what is the real name? If your parents gave it to you, that doesn't make it your real name-it's the name they put on your birth certificate. You didn't name yourself, so that automatically makes it not real. Not to you. Unless you agree with it.
And what is the real name? If your parents gave it to you, that doesn't make it your real name-it's the name they put on your birth certificate. You didn't name yourself, so that automatically makes it not real. Not to you. Unless you agree with it.
The lawyer for the college, Stuart W. Rudnick of Musick, Peeler & Garrett, urgently contacted Fredric D. Woocher of Strumwasser & Woocher.
"This firm is counsel to Occidental College. The College is in receipt of the enclosed subpoena that seeks certain information concerning President-Elect Barack Obama," he wrote via fax. "Inasmuch as the subpoena appears to be valid on its face, the College will have no alternative but to comply with the subpoena absent a court order instructing otherwise."
Within hours, Woocher contacted Kreep regarding the issue, telling him, "It will likely not surprise you to hear that President-elect Obama opposes the production of the requested records.
Please notice the difference in a court document written by competent lawyers, as compared to the mess written by Orly-Kreep.
The jist of the motion is:
1. The defendant was not notified in advance of the serving of the subpoena (which is required in the case of a request for personal records). This makes the subpoena invalid. Just like I told you when you posted the subpoena and I pointed out all its flaws, thankyouverymuch.
2. The student records could have no possible bearing on the case (which dealt with whether the California Secretary of State and the California electors had a duty to verify Obama’s eligibility).
3. The whole thing is moot, since the Secretary of State already certified the election and the electors already voted.
4. There is nothing about anybody sanctioning anybody.
There was never a question of weather Obama went to Occidental or not. it is under what conditions did he go. Was he registered as an Indonesian or an American is the question.
His school record in Indonesia states his name as Barry Soetoro, his citizenship as Indonesian, and his religion as Islam. Nobody has refuted this document that I am aware of. The AP reported that it was authentic.
I have said over and over again what will satisfy me and most(not all). Allow these records to be seen by any governmental authority like the FBI, CIA, DHS, SCOTUS, Congress, etc.
The "nothing will ever satisfy them" argument is getting old because it is not true.
The only record that has been requested that might be considered provided is the copy of his BC. It is a controversial document because some believe it is a fake and some think it is real. Looking at the original Vault COLB would clear up the controversy.
If these records would prove that he is legit then it would not be fodder would it?
Actually, there have been posts on here from people who don't believe he ever went to Occidental. Ditto Columbia. Some even dispute his degree from Harvard Law. Apparently some (not necessarily, you, TG), think you can become a lawyer w/o going to law school. That may have been the case when Lincoln was a young man, but it's not the case now.
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