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Old 03-14-2009, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Here
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01Snake, Joe Bob flipping burgers isn't asking you to pay taxes to cover his health insurance. He is working for a living, but in your opinion because he is in a low level job he doesn't deserve the employer benefits managers and other "important" people receive. Do you realize there are people working at Wal Mart and Burger King because that's the only job they can find to support their families. How dare you decide they aren't good enough to get benefits.
The cost of the their health care is either going to come through increased prices for goods past on by the employer or via taxes with a UHC system.

How dare you decide that employers should be required to pay benefits for a job that a 16 high school kid can do. How much do you think people are willing to pay for a cheeseburger?
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Old 03-14-2009, 10:22 AM
 
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A 16 year old high school student doesn't need benefits, they have them through their parents and employers don't pay benefits for part time workers. You are willing to pay increased costs so managers can get benefits, but not the hourly people working full time to support themselves. I don't live in your gilded world, I know people who work at Wal Mart, HomeDepot etc, and they have children. You don't get to decide what jobs are worthy of benefits while refusing to pay for national health insurance. Basically you seem to be saying "screw those people, and their children it's all about me and what I have to pay to outfit my house"
They would be left with no choice, but to use the emergency room for their health care, and the taxpayers up paying a lot more for it in the end, that's incredibly short sighted and selfish.
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Old 03-14-2009, 03:41 PM
 
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A 16 year old high school student doesn't need benefits, they have them through their parents and employers don't pay benefits for part time workers. You are willing to pay increased costs so managers can get benefits, but not the hourly people working full time to support themselves. I don't live in your gilded world, I know people who work at Wal Mart, HomeDepot etc, and they have children. You don't get to decide what jobs are worthy of benefits while refusing to pay for national health insurance. Basically you seem to be saying "screw those people, and their children it's all about me and what I have to pay to outfit my house"
They would be left with no choice, but to use the emergency room for their health care, and the taxpayers up paying a lot more for it in the end, that's incredibly short sighted and selfish.
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Old 03-14-2009, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Can you please fill me in just WHY someone working at Wal-Mart in a non-managerial position should get benefits?

Gimme a friggin' break. What next, should all the fry guys at McDonald's get bennies too?
This could be you one day asking, "Do you want fries with that?" Then you can use all of the 5 buck you have left over for the month after paying rent and buying food, to pay for your health insurance! Before you respond, DO THE MATH!!!
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Old 03-14-2009, 04:53 PM
 
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This is not accurate. Stossel is NOT a conservative.

Contrary to what you may believe, one can disagree with the stimulus package and still be a liberal. In fact many liberals are against the stimulus package.
Stossel is whatever they, the network who employs him, wants him to be.
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Old 03-14-2009, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Let me spell it out for you: I don't want to pay higher taxes to support ANYONE. This includes Joe Bob flipping burgers at Micky D's or CEO Mortimer Duke III of Bank of Amerika running his company into the ground.

As far as your example, why is it that the left always has to base their argument on "well, you're already paying for CEO golden parachutes so whats the big deal if you'll have to pay even more to cover benefits for entry-level workers?" This has to be the stupidest argument ever and it's continually used every time the need for more taxes is brought up. "But, but we're already paying taxes for that so lets just pay a little more to cover this as well!" When does it end?

Let's see if your outlook on things changes once you start seeing six figures magically disappear from your paycheck every year. Until then, why don't those of you who support paying higher taxes to support EVERYONE ELSE chip in and fund these things on your own. Since I'm apparently living in a different universe than the rest of you, I'm sure you'll have no problem coming up with the coin to do so.
I assume, from what you wrote, that you will be refusing Social Security and Medicare for yourself.
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Old 03-14-2009, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Here is what I suggest:

Make the health insurance program that Members of Congress use available to everyone - allow this program to compete with private companies. Let "buying in" be strictly voluntary.

Pass legislation (Congress) that would allow health insurance to be sold across state lines (some estimates say premiums would come down some 20 25% by doing this - spreads out the risk pool)

Allow health insurance premiums to be fully deductible (they are not at this time).

Allow all health related expenditures to be fully deductible (they are not now)

For those TRULY unable to afford health insurance - establish a means test and based on that test, subsidize the purchase of health insurance of the persons choice.
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Old 03-14-2009, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I assume, from what you wrote, that you will be refusing Social Security and Medicare for yourself.
Speaking for myself - I am not only "refusing" SS and Medicare - I withdrew from the system years ago and can never recieve it.
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Old 03-14-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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The cost of the their health care is either going to come through increased prices for goods past on by the employer or via taxes with a UHC system.

How dare you decide that employers should be required to pay benefits for a job that a 16 high school kid can do. How much do you think people are willing to pay for a cheeseburger?
How day you decide that an employer should not pay health care as a benefit! Until a better system is in place in the US to help citizens afford health insurance, group plans are the only solution to keep health insurance premiums down.

BTW, where/how do you receive your health insurance?
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Old 03-14-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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I see that many posters lately claim that their favorite comedian/satirist really cares about Americans, but I would argue that John Stosell is the true patriot as he truly goes after any crook and/or hypocrite, regardless of their political inclinations. Tonight he will adress Ms. Ehrlichson and her book that's almost become left wing indoctrination amongst the liberal elite and academia. Please try and watch this with as much objectivity as possible and coment afterwards. Thanks
Notwithstanding the fact that I do not own a television set, and if I did, I would not waste my time watching a pseduo news show like 20/20, I can tell you that I have seen the same things that Ms. Ehrlichson has seen - I have, indeed, "been there and done that" and there observations are spot on in every respect.

If people criticize her and her wonderful book, it is because they are closing their eyes to reality in the hopes that it will go away. Her book is one of my favorites and is very, very accurate in its representation of the working life of the lower classes in America.

I hope that the show that you mention serves to encourage many more people to buy her book! You can't buy advertising like that. LOL

20yrsinBranson
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