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Old 04-15-2009, 04:30 PM
 
Location: OB
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Originally Posted by zentropa View Post
It really is a good piece. You should read it.
I read it before my original post and it's not nearly profound as you believe. I thought to contain myself but at your insistence I'll tell you the article is a steaming piece of crap.

Paragraph1 - Five years from now has nothing to do with the immediete future. Right now gathers a momentum of dissatisfied citizens with very few outlets for their ever growing voice of dissent. Obama peeved alot of people by going back on his word, "They sent us here to usher in a new era of responsibility in Washington -- to start living within our means again," and then having the nerve to quadruple the national debt to ~$2T. His policies have upset a great number of people. These protests are the result of that.

Paragraph2 - How cute to paraphrase Karl Marx to set up contrast as the paragraph continues with an inference to capitalistic merchandising and how that some how proves the tea party demonstrations are some fad. What merchadising? Zazzle.com? Please.
Zazzle is independent and sells custom screen printing to anyone of anything on anything. The guy sells South Park shirts and Obama coffee mugs for god sake. One website is no way indicative of sell out for a buck, mass marketing and/or branding by organizers of the tea parties.

Paragraph3 - More conjecture. I dont care what the author believes is the significance of tea to colonists. It's not about tea.

Paragraph4 - Mischaracterization. True tea has nothing to do with our current frustration; however, we are emulating the spirit of the tea party protesters, not the act of dumping tea into the sea.

Paragraph5 - Ad nauseam, "Before you protest, you’ve got to figure out what you’re protesting...you must be for something." See my refute to paragraph1.

Paragraph6 - Straw Man Argument. The author tries to invalidate the movements origin through his personal opinion. It is always better to start with reality, a “real” person...not a “media” person...

Paragraph7 - The author opines even more when explaining that the tea party isn’t really grass roots because of his straw man arguement in P6 therefore the tea parties will result in a negative perception contrasted to Obama's positive pull strategy and the surprise reaction to Palin during the election. Hot air.

Paragraph8 & 9 & 10 & last sentence - See my refute to P2.

I could go on but for brevity (lol) I will conclude.

The authors repeated use of conjecture and logic fallacies to marginalize, discredit and effete the tea party movement is disingenuous. We have a serious grievance with Obama policy and to simply waive us off as if we are some bad marketing gimmick is non sequitur.

Last edited by mossomo; 04-15-2009 at 05:02 PM..

 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:33 PM
 
Location: Chino, CA
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Originally Posted by Roaddog View Post
If you do understand it then you know that is part of it, it's not about Obama, it's about uncontrolled spending of the tax payers money and a totally out of control government.
That's kind of funny though... because as I recall most of the State spending bonds in California, etc. were approved by tax payers in November.

Furthermore, voters continue to vote in the incumbants that continue the same course of spending.

So, are the tea party protesters protesting their own lack of judgement?

-chuck22b
 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:34 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475 View Post
Typical socialist disinformation. Dissent is a bad thing to people who desire dictators.

Google Maps - 2009 Tea Parties
Who madw the comment about a dictatorship?

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They're too poor to be taxed or so rich they don't pay their taxes, that's why they love them. They hate the middle class.
I'm middle class and I got a tax cut.

Its the rich that are going to have to pay a little more.
 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The dissent is just eating you folks up inside. Soon you and your comrades can join a union and together make some labour camps.
You nutjob.

We're laughing at you. We're laughing because the GOP spent billions trying to promote this fake ass astroturf group and it hasn't gotten any traction. This was their great hope and your average block party has more people attending then these events to get each other tea bagged. What a joke.
 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:51 PM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by oldyeller View Post
I just don't understand why you lefty Obama swooners enjoy getting the sheet taxed out of you? I guess your just all stupid.
I don't think their taxed on their welfare.
 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:52 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Since the current debt was caused by 8 years of Bush mismanagement, theft and stupidity, then I guess these people are really just protesting the GOP, and the rape of the GOP by the far right.
How odd that you completely ignored Obamas deficits which will be more in year one, then Bush spent over 8 years on the Iraqi war..
 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:53 PM
 
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Originally Posted by RjRobb2 View Post
Then why are republican senators pushing for more tax cuts yet they are showing up at these protest?
Its SPENDING being protested.. not tax cuts...
 
Old 04-15-2009, 04:58 PM
 
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How odd that you completely ignored Obamas deficits which will be more in year one, then Bush spent over 8 years on the Iraqi war..
Ahhh, but IF bush hadn't spent that money on a war we shouldn't have gone into in the first place, hadn't given tax cuts to millionaires who did NOT need one, had not let the finance industry go down the tubes, then Obama would NOT have to do these things now. It all goes back to bush, he's wrecked us and wrecked us real good.
 
Old 04-15-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Ahhh, but IF bush hadn't spent that money on a war we shouldn't have gone into in the first place, hadn't given tax cuts to millionaires who did NOT need one, had not let the finance industry go down the tubes, then Obama would NOT have to do these things now. It all goes back to bush, he's wrecked us and wrecked us real good.
They always claim that spending is the reason for defecits but its the tax cuts on the rich. Imagine how much better off we would be if Bush had just kept Clintons Tax rates.
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Old 04-15-2009, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Ahhh, but IF bush hadn't spent that money on a war we shouldn't have gone into in the first place, hadn't given tax cuts to millionaires who did NOT need one, had not let the finance industry go down the tubes, then Obama would NOT have to do these things now. It all goes back to bush, he's wrecked us and wrecked us real good.
PoliSci 101 - The President proposes and Congress disposes.

If you have a problem with spending on the war in Iraq, I suggest you take it up with your Democrat Representatives and Senators. They have been controlling ALL the spending for the last 2+ years, including fuinding the war in Iraq.

Typicaly liberal, has absolutely no clue about how his own government functions.
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