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Originally Posted by Sagran
I can't speak for helenjen but the first thing that comes to mind is the constant public praying in which everyone is suppose to participate. Prayers to open everything. If you want to pray, pray before you leave your home. But you don't want to just pray, you want to make me pray. That's what I object to.
When have Christians forced you personally to pray?
Sorry, all agnostics, atheists, and apathetics, you are not being forced to pray. Travel to Afghanistan, get acquainted with the Taliban, and then tell me about forced prayer. It will be on your knees, five times a day, with head touching the ground, or head squashed by the butt of a rifle. Then come back to the U.S. and drivel to us about "forced prayer".
Sure, please explain what you consider, "the yoke of christianity" that you are forced to live with.
Well, I really don't want to turn this into a gay marriage thread, but in most, if not all, states, to be married, you first have to go and get a government-issued marriage license. It is the couple's choice, as well as the choice of the church to perform the ceremony, to then have that marriage recognized/sanctified by a church. Many Christians support legal restrictions that prevent other adult citizens from participating in the obtainment of a government-issued license. That is forcing religious beliefs on others through government practice, which people who are being denied those certificates are, in my opinion, rightfully angry about.
And notice the distinction that I made, please, the one between marriage as a government-regulated practice and and marriage as a sacrament or religious ceremony.
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Originally Posted by silas777
No! Listen up. this Country has been a Christian nation from the beginning. Christians have not been on the offensive in this nation...
So how do you explain Christianity being forced upon slaves, in some instances, and mission schooling being forced upon Native American children?
Last edited by helenejen; 05-24-2009 at 08:45 PM..
Sorry, all agnostics, atheists, and apathetics, you are not being forced to pray. Travel to Afghanistan, get acquainted with the Taliban, and then tell me about forced prayer. It will be on your knees, five times a day, with head touching the ground, or head squashed by the butt of a rifle. Then come back to the U.S. and drivel to us about "forced prayer".
Don't twist what I said and don't justify Christian behavior by finding worse.
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Originally Posted by Sagran
I didn't say they did. I said they wanted me to pray.
Christians do not believe in forced conversions. Our purpose in sharing our faith with unbelievers is just that - sharing. When I share my faith with someone and they express that they do not wish to hear my message, then I will respect their wishes. You have the right to believe or not believe as you wish but please don't use your unbelief to limit me in practicing my faith.
Don't twist what I said and don't justify Christian behavior by finding worse.
It's not the Christians in this thread with the "martyr complex". It's you and others. I am saying that you need to see real rights infringements before you blow up an invitation to pray into such an ordeal.
Christians do not believe in forced conversions. Our purpose in sharing our faith with unbelievers is just that - sharing. When I share my faith with someone and they express that they do not wish to hear my message, then I will respect their wishes. You have the right to believe or not believe as you wish but please don't use your unbelief to limit me in practicing my faith.
That has nothing to do with why everything in this country has to start with a Christian prayer. That's imposing religion on others.
Location: The Chatterdome in La La Land, CaliFUNia
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Originally Posted by Sagran
I didn't say they did. I said they wanted me to pray.
Here's what you actually said:
"you want to make me pray"
Sounds to me that you believe that Christians want to force you to pray, which isn't the case.
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