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Old 05-24-2009, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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That doesn't answer the question. That's just babble.

Huh?
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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I know of NO attempt, by the United States Government, to form a religion of any kind.
Just putting "God" on money and in the pledge is forming a religion.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Huh?
You didn't define "attack".
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:37 PM
 
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From the Christians I know personally, it seems they are intentionally dumbing themselves down, while believing that that is what they are supposed to be doing.

It's as though they believe that ignorance is not just bliss, but much, much more - that it is God's command, somehow.

Must be that straight and narrow thing.

I look at their position as that of the cave dwellers in the Socrates Parabole of the Cave.

Inside the cave
"Socrates begins his presentation by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their arms and legs held in place, but their heads are also fixed, compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which people walk carrying things on their heads "including figures of men and animals made of wood, stone and other materials" The prisoners can only watch the shadows cast by the men, not knowing they are shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.
Socrates asks if it is not reasonable that the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen. Wouldn't they praise as clever whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world? And wouldn't the whole of their society depend on the shadows on the wall?"

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I get it. The people chained to the walls have a very limited understanding of what is happening even thought it is happening in their environment so they speculate wildly about what is taking place. It is a shame more people don't have a better understanding of Bible prophesy so that they might understand what is taking place right now and right in front of them. I think the average person doesn't even understand how the rebirth of the modern state of Israel in 1948 fulfilled Bible prophesy thousands of years old. It would be nice if people took the time to learn about the Bible. They can still watch the shadows if they like, but they should do so fully informed.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:38 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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You didn't define "attack".

I define it the same way Potter Stewart defined pornography.....google it.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:39 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Just putting "God" on money and in the pledge is forming a religion.
Which religion?
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: California
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Some Christians think they are failures if they aren't being persecuted. True story.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:41 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Only on the left.
Yeah right. What was the general basis for voting for Prop 8 exactly?

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Surely you can do better than that!
Gay adoption. Preferring that children languish as wards of the state rather than having a family. Very un-Christian.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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Which religion?
Doesn't matter. Acknowledging a god exists is creating or affirming religion.
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Old 05-24-2009, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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I define it the same way Potter Stewart defined pornography.....google it.
Yeah, figures.

And I didn't have to goggle it.
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