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Old 05-25-2009, 06:31 AM
 
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I think part of that fear comes from that background. We've never been "tolerated". We've been either vilified or priviledged. Now we are losing our priviledged status in society, which can be both good and bad. Another thing to think about is that Christianity is the most persecuted religion on the planet.
I must be living on a different planet. When I travel overseas, I notice how many countries in Latin America, Africa, and Asia were former colonies of Christian Europe. Their people were subjugated by their Christian colonizers, forced to convert to Christianity on pain of death. Entire cultures were wiped out. The Philippines for instance had a flourishing Indo-Malayan and Chinese civilization which was demolished when the Christian Spaniards arrived and claimed the archipelago for Spain. The natives were forced to convert. Those who resisted were killed. Meanwhile, the Christian Spaniards grabbed select lands for themselves and turned the natives into serfs to enrich the newly arrived elite.

Christianity is not the "most persecuted religion" on the planet. On the contrary, Christianity has blood on its hands for the genocide of millions of people on this planet.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:32 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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Never before in American history have Christians experienced being hated for following Jesus Christ as they are today.

Only in their own minds. Most want religions to be like they way they want their government. Keep out of my personal life. Period.

They are not 'disliked' (they are not hated) for following jesus.
They are disliked by many for being hypocrites.

(of course, there are a few people who hate anyone different, so christians will easily be both the victim and the creator of the hatred. but so will most other religious groups)



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Old 05-25-2009, 06:46 AM
 
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Christians do not believe in forced conversions. Our purpose in sharing our faith with unbelievers is just that - sharing. When I share my faith with someone and they express that they do not wish to hear my message, then I will respect their wishes. You have the right to believe or not believe as you wish but please don't use your unbelief to limit me in practicing my faith.
Christians converted the natives in Latin America, Asia, and Africa to Christianity on pain of death. That pretty much sums up the history of Christian colonialism over the last 500 years.

The only reason Christians today don't convert by force anymore is because of separation of church and state, a principle embraced by majority of countries. Secular governments have restrained the zealots from ramming their beliefs down everyone else's throats.

Plus, Christianity is a house divided. There are hundreds of Christian sects and denominations whose beliefs contradict with each other. They pretty much have to convert each other at risk of igniting another religious war, slitting each others' throats (which Christians have much experience of). So, Christians can't convert by force because of the mutually assured destruction that will inevitably happen.
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Old 05-25-2009, 06:53 AM
 
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I must be living on a different planet. When I travel overseas, I notice how many countries in Latin America, Africa, and Asia were former colonies of Christian Europe. Their people were subjugated by their Christian colonizers, forced to convert to Christianity on pain of death. Entire cultures were wiped out. The Philippines for instance had a flourishing Indo-Malayan and Chinese civilization which was demolished when the Christian Spaniards arrived and claimed the archipelago for Spain. The natives were forced to convert. Those who resisted were killed. Meanwhile, the Christian Spaniards grabbed select lands for themselves and turned the natives into serfs to enrich the newly arrived elite.

Christianity is not the "most persecuted religion" on the planet. On the contrary, Christianity has blood on its hands for the genocide of millions of people on this planet.

You raise a good point....

I didn't say it was. I said that it is. Part of this is because there are more self proclaimed christians than any other religious group. But Christians are attacked in China and the muslim world on a regular basis. And in some cases you're attacked by the institutional church itself--like during the Middle Ages and the Reformation.

Of course the church has blood on its hands. I never said it didn't. We will always have to live with its sins and it will always be a black spot on our history. But Jesus' teachings transcend the church and it's actions. And about those damned Spanish conquistadores; I never did like them. Personally I don't consider them to have been christians because no real follower of Jesus would do the things they did.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:00 AM
 
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We're better than the Taliban? That's where the bar is set?
No, it is YOUR pretense that Christians in the U.S. are equivalent to the Taliban. Not mine.
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Old 05-25-2009, 08:05 AM
 
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So what, the governement is also endorsing a car company.
Zing! Reps to ya!
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:00 AM
 
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No, it is YOUR pretense that Christians in the U.S. are equivalent to the Taliban. Not mine.
Sorry no. I never said that. But thank you for demonstrating the martyr complex in action.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:11 AM
 
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Or is it that they will not be satiated until the U.S. is a religious state in keeping with the ideas of their particular faith?
Any more denials?

Thanks for playing.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Any more denials?

Thanks for playing.
Sorry, but that's a question, which is quite different from a statement. Grammar 101.
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Old 05-25-2009, 09:28 AM
 
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I guess its the same reason so many middle class and other groups feel like they are being attacked in our society.Christian feel that they are being banded as a group from expressing their beliefs in such places as schools which I think seems true and its being replaced by ever more political beliefs teachings of the secualr world. Afterall they saw the same with national sociaism in geramny;socialism i russisia.and communtism in so many countries.
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