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I guess you haven't had school either, but let me explain..."Nothing comes for free"...means that some one has to pay for it, and by the way your statements make clear what socialized health care is ...so all people who (mis)use the system are happy and others can pay for it....The people who work hard are the ones paying for all people who never even tried to get a decend job and are whining about everything, as long as everything from the the day the are born till the day they die, is paid for without having to tribute to it!
So, let me get this straight. The thing that offends you about a UHC is that if someone gets the use of it without paying taxes for no matter what reason..they are misusing the system? So a UHC, even though it is far more efficiant, cost effective and cheaper than a Private Health System should NOT be created because you and some others are cr**ping themselves that someone might use it without paying and YOU will have to pay for them out of your taxes?
You, on the other hand, do NOT mind paying for the construction of Iraq out of your taxes and letting Iraqis who have NEVER paid a cent in American taxes live there.
You aren't protesting about the UHC that EVERY iraqi will get to use and will be payed for from YOUR taxes.
You aren't protesting about people who don't pay taxes using the public facilities that your tax dollar has built.
You aren't even protesting about the use of the police, fire and ambulance services that YOUR tax dollar has paid for by non tax payers or even illegals.
YOU just Cannot bear the thought of good honest Americans getting good health care because YOU have tp pay for it with your taxes.
Wierd how you pay taxes for Illegals, Foreign countries to be rebuilt. Foreign countries to get food aid. Foreign Countries to SET UP A UHC so that their people will all have great Healthcare..BUT..you do NOT want all of your Fellow American Citizens getting as good a health care system as YOU are providing for Iraq.
Did i miss anything?
Why don't you ask Canadians how the system is working for them.
They get cancer, they come to US and pay out of pocket. So much for that rise in salary.
Not only have i asked Canadians...i have family in Canada.... but this whole story of Canadians coming to America and filling the Hospitals and surgeries is not what you have read or i have been told by Canadians.
The Canadians i talk to say that they would NEVER go to America for treatment or get drugs.
The Canadians i talk to say that a very very few go to America for treatment and it is hugely exagerated.
That is from Canadians and not biased news articles.
Do you really think a Canadian is going to go to America, pay thousands of dollars for health care then pay for hotels or board and pay travel costs when they can get all this privately in Canada for much less and much less travelling . If you have Cancer you would want your family with you for support and travelling to and from Canada to America for Chemo etc would be horrific. You actually believe these stories of the big Canadian exodus to America for treatment. Look at it logically and you can see why it is so full of holes.
You know how many senior medical specialists will retire if this thing goes through???
Then you will have STILL have inferior healthcare because Doogie Howser will be providing it. And 10 years from now, no one will bother to go to Medical School because their lifetime earningx abilities will have been CAPPED by socialized medicine.
Good grief. Insurance companies cap all day long! Yes, that is how they make money is to cap and deny care. This forces doctors to run their business like a production line business. Get them and and get them out as fast as you can. It's the volume of people seen over quality care business model, it's all the rage these days. Have you been asleep EasilyAmused?
Not only have i asked Canadians...i have family in Canada.... but this whole story of Canadians coming to America ande filling the Hospitals and surgeries is not what you have read.
The Canadians i talk to say that they would NEVER go to America for treatment or get drugs.
The Canadians i talk to say that a very very few go to America for treatment and it is hugely exagerated.
That is from Canadians and not biased news articles.
Do you really think a Canadian is going to go to America, pay thousands of dollars for health care then pay for hotels or board and pay travel costs when they can get all this privately in Canada for much less and much less travelling . If you have Cancer you would want your family with you for support and travelling to and from Canada to America for Chemo etc would be horrific. You actually believe these stories of the big Canadian exodus to America for treatment. Look at it logically and you can see why it is so full of holes.
I can't imagine any Canadian coming to the US to buy meds. Not happening. However, I can see Canadians coming to the US for specific treatment especially those with duel citizenship. So what, at least they have a choice, many Americans don't, period. I maybe wrong on this but didn't George Bush sign a bill that denies Americans access to Canadian pharmacies?
Not only have i asked Canadians...i have family in Canada.... but this whole story of Canadians coming to America and filling the Hospitals and surgeries is not what you have read or i have been told by Canadians.
The Canadians i talk to say that they would NEVER go to America for treatment or get drugs.
The Canadians i talk to say that a very very few go to America for treatment and it is hugely exagerated.
That is from Canadians and not biased news articles.
Do you really think a Canadian is going to go to America, pay thousands of dollars for health care then pay for hotels or board and pay travel costs when they can get all this privately in Canada for much less and much less travelling . If you have Cancer you would want your family with you for support and travelling to and from Canada to America for Chemo etc would be horrific. You actually believe these stories of the big Canadian exodus to America for treatment. Look at it logically and you can see why it is so full of holes.
Sure, but you are for socialized medicine and think that waiting 8-12 weeks to get into a specialist for that lump under your arm is perfectly acceptable as long as it's free.
Canadians/Europeans that are more pro-active about there health certainly come into the US for treatment all the time. I'm in an industry that is full of Canooks. So I have "real life Canadian" input as well.
I can't imagine any Canadian coming to the US to buy meds. Not happening. However, I can see Canadians coming to the US for specific treatment especially those with duel citizenship. So what, at least they have a choice, many Americans don't, period. I maybe wrong on this but didn't George Bush sign a bill that denies Americans access to Canadian pharmacies?
I can't speak for every Canadian and i suppose EVERY country gets people going to other Countries for health care. Where was it Steve McQueen went to to get treatment for his cancer? It wasn't in America.
No system is perfect but i get so annoyed when i hear people putting down a UHC and they have not got the faintest idea of how a UHC works.
I have used both private and UHC and i definately KNOW that a UHC is more efficient and less costly to the patient. That is a FACT that many on here cannot dispute because they just simply have no experience or knowledge of a UHC, just Hearsay.
Sure, but you are for socialized medicine and think that waiting 8-12 weeks to get into a specialist for that lump under your arm is perfectly acceptable as long as it's free.
Canadians/Europeans that are more pro-active about there health certainly come into the US for treatment all the time. I'm in an industry that is full of Canooks. So I have "real life Canadian" input as well.
Where on earth did you get these figures from??????????
OK ...I will give you a real life and tiime frame experience of a UHC.
My wife discovered a couple of lumps in her Breast. We made an appointment with our GP and was seen that day. In the UK you see the Doctor within 48 hours at the most of phoning. It is normally the same day.
We saw our Doctor who not only examined my wife for her lumps but gave her full blood tests.
Within two weeks of seeing the Doctor my wife had seen a specialist, had scans etc and a biopsy of the lumps and had been diagnosed. This was over Christmas.
In the UK the GOVT has created a fast track system for anyone presenting with ANYTHING that may be cancerous.
The blood tests showed a highish blood sugar and my wife was given a diet to follow from the Doctor.
She has not got any blood sugar problems now and has regular mammograms and cervical smears.
If you believe the waiting times that you have quoted then you have been misinformed.
The only people who go to America for treatment are thev ones who feel that a specific treatment in America may help them. When i was training in Medicine we would get Americans coming over to the UK for treatment. We get Many Arabs coming to the UK for treatment too and they can easily afford to go to America but they use the British Doctors here as they are some of the best Doctors in the World
Your facts are wrong...I know because i actually use the System
I've been sick in the UK. I know the drill. Fortuantely I was in Chelsea and could pay cash. There wasn't any 48 hours to get into a doctor. 3 weeks was the wait until I said I was an American and would pay cash. 3 weeks with an infection could have equalled serious trouble.
"Cheap and efficent" isn't always as good as NOW and Effective. This is why America isn't buying Socialized Health Care.That and the stupid additional amount of debt it will cause.
I've been sick in the UK. I know the drill. Fortuantely I was in Chelsea and could pay cash. There wasn't any 48 hours to get into a doctor. 3 weeks was the wait until I said I was an American and would pay cash. 3 weeks with an infection could have equalled serious trouble.
"Cheap and efficent" isn't always as good as NOW and Effective. This is why America isn't buying Socialized Health Care.That and the stupid additional amount of debt it will cause.
You waited 3 weeks to see a Doctor Privately in the UK? Was it just after WW2 and before the NHS was created.
There is now a mandate by the Govt that you must see a Doctor within 48 hours of Contacting him. This is a FACT.
You paid cash? to who and where did you get this Doctor from?
How long ago was this?
And if you waited three weeks then i'm sorry you DO NOT "know the drill".
It would be fine w/ me if America had the same type system as the UK. However, Obama is not proposing anything even similar. Yet, people keep talking about the UK's system as if there were even a glimmer of possibility that this will happen here.
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