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Old 06-15-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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So what about people like me that are independent consultants that can't afford 1200 dollars a month? This absolutely sucks.

If the government can provide healthcare for my family I'm all for it.

The fact that health care costs so much is abysmal.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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LOL.. Easily Amused.

I have news for you.. Here in the good old U.S of A you can't get into a DR to see a DR if you are sick.. EVEN if you say you have no insurance and PAY CASH!!

Oh.. and specialist..you have a 3 month wait. Booked my june 5th appointment back in late April early MARCH!!
TM? You really need to move - you REALLY do.

Your first statement "....you can't get into a DE to see a DR if you are sick....." is outlandish at best. And, you know, or should know it.

Your second one, about seeing a specialist, is DEFINITELY not the case where I live - need a specialist? A few days - tops.

Your problem is where you live.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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TM? You really need to move - you REALLY do.

Your first statement "....you can't get into a DE to see a DR if you are sick....." is outlandish at best. And, you know, or should know it.

Your second one, about seeing a specialist, is DEFINITELY not the case where I live - need a specialist? A few days - tops.

Exactly. I get in same day. Specialist within a day or two. I work,I work hard. I provide excellent, top of the line PPO Insurance to all my employees. I wouldn't DARE let my health be taken care of by a nationalized system. Have you seen how they have screwed up everything else?? Taking care of my employees makes me competitive, and I get the best marketers/traders around.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:30 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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I am already limited as to health care providers and which tests may be performed. I have a $1500 deductible- the lowest my employer offers. And my kids are uninsured. Welcome to America.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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It can take a patient three months to get into a specialist at Children's Hospital here. When my ped referred my daughter to a dermatologist for a mole removal, it took about a month to get an appt. Then it turned out she had melanoma, and things moved a little faster.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:36 PM
 
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Exactly. I get in same day. Specialist within a day or two. I work,I work hard. I provide excellent, top of the line PPO Insurance to all my employees. I wouldn't DARE let my health be taken care of by a nationalized system. Have you seen how they have screwed up everything else?? Taking care of my employees makes me competitive, and I get the best marketers/traders around.
You're definitely not the norm for employers. Good on you for providing good benefits to your employees. No offense but, you're a drop of water in an ocean though.

There are millions of children who have parents who are employed who don't get health care because it is either not available or not affordable.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Let's "bottom line" this:

10's of Millions of Americans have little or no difficulty paying health insurance premiums. 10's of Millions of Americans see their Doctors as needed and get the health care that they need.

There is a segment of the US population (population - not necessarily Americans), about 15% that have no insurance (although they can readily afford it), have no insurance because they cannot afford it, and are here in this country illegally. There is a segment of this population that could be described as being under-insured as well.

This segment of the US population (15%) can be assisted in obtaining adequate health insurance (if they want it) without changing the entire health insurance system in the US.

You want to make it more affordable for the population? Then, make health insurance expenditures, including premiums one pays, fully tax deductible. DON'T start taxing the premiums that your employer pays (as is being suggested).

Do some Tort reforms (Obama talked about this today). Get those malpractice insurance premiums down - reduce the number of unwarranted testing down. This will, in and of itself, lower costs.

Spread the risk pool - allow insurance to be sold across state lines.

For the truly financially needy - subsidize their insurance premium if necessary.

But, you don't have to make health insurance mandatory - it is unnecessary.

Don't cover those in this country illegally (these people are part of that 15% without coverage now)

This is the United States - not the UK or Canada. We are geographically much larger - and demographically more diverse - and population wise MUCH larger than any of the other countries mentioned.

Yes - we need reforms - and those can be done, making health INSURANCE much more affordable - thereby making health CARE more affordable.

But - there must also be, what I will call, a "Freedom" component - and that is recognizing that not everyone will want insurance - and they should have the FREEDOM to make that personal choice.

I trust the judgment of the people far more than I trust the Government to decide what is best for the people.

Remember - in America, the people ARE the government - we should be telling our REPRESENTATIVES what to do - not the other way around.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:41 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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But, you don't have to make health insurance mandatory - it is unnecessary.

But - there must also be, what I will call, a "Freedom" component - and that is recognizing that not everyone will want insurance - and they should have the FREEDOM to make that personal choice.

I trust the judgment of the people far more than I trust the Government to decide what is best for the people.

The problem with that is that the ones who don't want health care obtain it when it becomes an emergency and then we all pay. No living person does not need health care.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Greatday, I generally agree with your above posting, but one key point is that we need to start restricting access to medical care. Without this change, we aren't addressing the key item of overall medical cost running away from our overall ability to afford care.

How care is rationed can be debated, from items such as how specialist services are identified as needed through end of life care.

But Obama cannot continue to avoid this discussion.
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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How will you restrict access? Lock emergency room doors?
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