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You waited 3 weeks to see a Doctor Privately in the UK? Was it just after WW2 and before the NHS was created.
There is now a mandate by the Govt that you must see a Doctor within 48 hours of Contacting him. This is a FACT.
You paid cash? to who and where did you get this Doctor from?
How long ago was this?
And if you waited three weeks then i'm sorry you DO NOT "know the drill".
So, let me get this straight. The thing that offends you about a UHC is that if someone gets the use of it without paying taxes for no matter what reason..they are misusing the system? So a UHC, even though it is far more efficiant, cost effective and cheaper than a Private Health System should NOT be created because you and some others are cr**ping themselves that someone might use it without paying and YOU will have to pay for them out of your taxes?
You, on the other hand, do NOT mind paying for the construction of Iraq out of your taxes and letting Iraqis who have NEVER paid a cent in American taxes live there.
You aren't protesting about the UHC that EVERY iraqi will get to use and will be payed for from YOUR taxes.
You aren't protesting about people who don't pay taxes using the public facilities that your tax dollar has built.
You aren't even protesting about the use of the police, fire and ambulance services that YOUR tax dollar has paid for by non tax payers or even illegals.
YOU just Cannot bear the thought of good honest Americans getting good health care because YOU have tp pay for it with your taxes.
Wierd how you pay taxes for Illegals, Foreign countries to be rebuilt. Foreign countries to get food aid. Foreign Countries to SET UP A UHC so that their people will all have great Healthcare..BUT..you do NOT want all of your Fellow American Citizens getting as good a health care system as YOU are providing for Iraq.
Did i miss anything?
You forgot to mention that those people that they are so concerned with getting FREE health care on tax dollars are ALREADY DOING SO
The poor , the most sick of society who lose income and insurance (and then qualify for medicaid) get medicaid.
Oh. . we also pay for medical treatment and screening for the scum of our society (people in jail).. AH.. and yes, all those prisoners at Guantanomo Bay get free health care.. ALL on the taxpayer dime...
That part doesn't change on a UHC.. WHAT DOES is that OTHER HARDWORKING TAX PAYING AMERICANS will have ACCESS to the SAME HEALTHCARE
I can't imagine any Canadian coming to the US to buy meds. Not happening. However, I can see Canadians coming to the US for specific treatment especially those with duel citizenship. So what, at least they have a choice, many Americans don't, period. I maybe wrong on this but didn't George Bush sign a bill that denies Americans access to Canadian pharmacies?
yeah. and what is funny about that.. is that THOSE MEDICINES WERE MADE BY AMERICAN COMPANIES AND SOLD TO CANADA AT A FRACTION OF THE COST..thereby the Canadians get the same meds we can get.. o nly CHEAPER..LOL
WE're not allowed to go buy our own products over the border at CHEAPER prices.
Ah.. got to love those pharma lobbies.. evil pigs!
It would be fine w/ me if America had the same type system as the UK. However, Obama is not proposing anything even similar. Yet, people keep talking about the UK's system as if there were even a glimmer of possibility that this will happen here.
At the moment Obama knows too well what would happen if he did what Clinton did and went straight for a UHC. To get a full UHC one of two things must happen.
1) The ground work must be put into place to start a Health revolution.
A journey of a million miles starts with a single step and having health as a huge issue now will do well for future changes. No change as big as a UHC can happen overnight but once the American people realise that a full UHC is within their grasp they will demand it.
2) The current system that Obama is now setting up with the Insurance Companies will fail. If it fails then the people of America will see its limitations and this will be the beginning of the end of the current Private health Model for Health care in the USA. If people can see that this "new" system of still using Insurance companies to provide the general health of America is not working they will also see that with the private health companies involved, change cannot happen.
Either way it is the death march for the current health system in America.
You also seem to forget people like Sen Kennedy, The Clintons and others who will not stop until a UHC is created.
For those worried about having to subsidize the costs for others - you're doing it already. They just go to the County Hospital instead. We all still pay.
I just laugh at people who pretend to be patriotic with this issue, blathering about socialism and so forth, the same people who think we should send our troops off to the other side of the group to "build democracies" for people who ARE NOT US citizens, with OUR tax dollars. Yet they cry like babies when it's suggested that some of their own countrymen may need help getting health care.
I've been sick in the UK. I know the drill. Fortuantely I was in Chelsea and could pay cash. There wasn't any 48 hours to get into a doctor. 3 weeks was the wait until I said I was an American and would pay cash. 3 weeks with an infection could have equalled serious trouble.
"Cheap and efficent" isn't always as good as NOW and Effective. This is why America isn't buying Socialized Health Care.That and the stupid additional amount of debt it will cause.
LOL.. Easily Amused.
I have news for you.. Here in the good old U.S of A you can't get into a DR to see a DR if you are sick.. EVEN if you say you have no insurance and PAY CASH!!
I know.. I've tried. Ever been between insurance and haven't set up your "new doctor" yet? I have.. and when I was sick I was new patient and there weren't any new appointments for WEEKS!! So meanwhile, I had strep throat NOW but wouldn't' be able to see my doctor for weeks If I was a "regular" patient I could. This has happened more than once. I even tried to get an appointment for my mother in law visiting from the Czech Republic because she caught pink eye from my then 2 year old son. Couldn't get an appointment. I ended up getting a script from my sons Pediatrician for her (without being seen) because he understood that she most likely had pink eye given that my son, who he had seen, had it.
Oh.. and specialist..you have a 3 month wait. Booked my june 5th appointment back in late April early MARCH!!
if you don't have a regular doctor that you've been too and you are sick here, you end up needing to go to an emergent care clinic which can be quite costly.
So.. the fact that you weren't a "regular" patient, it's no surprise you couldn't get in to see a DR. with regular patients unless you went to an ER or something.
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I've been sick in the UK. I know the drill. Fortuantely I was in Chelsea and could pay cash. There wasn't any 48 hours to get into a doctor. As i said there is a 48 hour MAXIMUM wait to see your Doctor now. Once you have been assessed by your GP he can then refer you to a specialist. My wife saw the specialist for her lump and was diagnosed within 2 weeks of seeing our Doctor. If you pay privately you can see the Specialist within a few days.
.3 weeks was the wait until I said I was an American and would pay cash. 3 weeks with an infection could have equalled serious trouble. So you didn't wait three weeks? No one could tell you it will take 3 weeks to see a NHS specialist as it could take a few days or a few weeks depending on the illness and his case load. Who told you it was a three week wait?
"Cheap and efficent" isn't always as good as NOW and Effective. This is why America isn't buying Socialized Health Care.That and the stupid additional amount of debt it will cause.
How about "cheap and now and extremely effective...that is a UHC.
Sure, but you are for socialized medicine and think that waiting 8-12 weeks to get into a specialist for that lump under your arm is perfectly acceptable as long as it's free.
Canadians/Europeans that are more pro-active about there health certainly come into the US for treatment all the time. I'm in an industry that is full of Canooks. So I have "real life Canadian" input as well.
This is what you wrote.
8-12 weeks wait to see a specialist for that lump under your arm?
As i tried to explain...the Govt has a fastrack system for ANY lumps or possible signs of cancer. You are seen asap. Normally within a few days by a specialist.
Was it 8-12 week wait or three week wait?
I guess you haven't had school either, but let me explain
It would be nice if you could try to make your points without getting these little digs in. They serve no purpose, other than to make you look small.
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